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What Is Support?
By Matt Margolis | September 1, 2005
An article on the Washington Post website today inspired me to write a response to the “why don’t you enlist if you support the war” ridiculousness. I have blogged my response at Blogs For Bush…
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September 1st, 2005 at 1:29 pm
I agree that you don’t have to join the military to support the war. But to claim that only Republicans are helping Hurricane victims is absolutely ridiculous! I imagine that AMERICANS are helping them!
And just in case you’re interested, I have been on the phone all morning, coordinating a fundraising dinner to send money to the Red Cross for the Katrina disaster.
Other than that, your response is good.
September 1st, 2005 at 1:46 pm
qt - an awful time like this is a chance for us ALL to pull together.
Though I DO think it is stupid for some liberals to be blaming Katrina on Bush. Oh yes - we Republicans have the power to make massive storms!!!! Must be Carl Rove’s secret job. This kind of stupid statement is what makes people think the lefties are looney.
Oh - and I always find my worst typos about .5 seconds after pressing “submit comment”.
September 1st, 2005 at 4:16 pm
well since we are talking about katrina, ya know its a real sad story. that our NATIONAL GUARD is over in IRAQ to make sure the OIL MEN get thier money, the natl. guard is for the US not the world. So now we have a sad sad situation down on the gulf coast and not many natl. gaurd to help, why cause they are in IRAQ. If that isnt a failure on bush’s side i dont know what it. Please people on the right tell me what a man has to do to be considered unfit for office. we just seem to be lowering the bar. makes you wonder what clinton did wasnt all to bad. at least his LIE hasnt affected so many poor souls. but why whould the RIGHT care, they got thier tax cut, so all is good. i wonder if the ones that got a big chunk of money are willing to donate it to the red cross.
don
September 1st, 2005 at 8:16 pm
Don - it’s just not true. There are enough troops there to handle it. You accuse me of spouting propaganda - back up your statement with some numbers and reference. Real references - not Michael Moore. No officials in any of the states Democrat or Republican agree with you. It is simply a massive massive disaster.
Please, for your own sake sit back and read the hatred in your posts. Hatred is bad Don, it eats away at you inside. This is not the first Cat 5 Hurricane. And New Orleans has long feared such a storm. The Nazi’s lived on hate Don. I really don’t understand what liberals stand for. All I hear is what you stand against. No ideas. Only hate. No facts. Only hate.
It is getting old.
There’s a killer on the road.
His mind is squirming like a toad,
and his name is Don.
September 2nd, 2005 at 8:13 am
ya know matt im suprised that you would let a man on this site that would have the nerve to call a man of jewish faith a NAZI, don’t know what faith you are, but if it was me i would be appauled. kahn just cause i have a deep belief of my views doesn’t make me have hate.
also kahn, you know im going to leave you in your own LITTLE world. it seems to me if i told you it was friday Sept 2 2005, you would debate me on was i in the right time zone, and if i was using the right calander.
so enclosing, i feel so much pitty for you, and its so sad that you are showing the world just the kinda man you are, and you have the nerve to call yourself an american.
so sad, to bad.,
take care all, later.
don
September 2nd, 2005 at 1:04 pm
Well, after four years of a Homeland Security department THIS is the response we have to national disaster? There was five to seven days warning on this hurricane—and Bush didn’t even acknowledge it for two days. Even now response has been minimal. Condi Rice went on a three day vacation in NYC to see “Spamalot” and buy Prada shoes AFTER the storm hit. Cheney hasn’t shown his face at all for I don’t know how long. It doesn’t look like anyone is in charge.
Louisiana and Mississippi and Alabama are Red States. That means they take in more Federal money than the pay out in taxes. They needed the money from the Feds to fix the levees. The $60 million required to repair the levees last year was mostly diverted to Iraq and the rest was given to the state Bush likes to pretend he’s from. Aid from foreign countries has been refused. Police departments around the South are running out of fuel. Gas is not available some places and costs up to 6 bucks other places. And the death toll for this travesty may be in the thousands,
This would have been a bad situation no matter what, but I don’t think any other President; Democrat or Republican, from Carol Moseley Braun all the way to Gary Bauer; would have allowed this to become the travesty it has become.
Al Qaeda doesn’t NEED to attack America again. Bush just proved how much damage he can inflict on America all by himself.
September 2nd, 2005 at 1:15 pm
Jay, that’s probably the most intelligent and well-written comment I’ve ever read on a blog!
September 2nd, 2005 at 4:27 pm
Don - hate is hate. Your hate for conservatives and the president comes through loud and clear. So you’re jewish? Big deal. Stupid is as stupid does - same for hate.
Others - life is not a two hour movie. The devastation covers 20,000 square miles. New Orleans is just the most visable. FYI - the city could have used it’s school bus fleet to help evacuation - instead they sit flooded in neat rows. Also - gangs of armed idiots in New Orleans shooting at rescue workers and helicopters does NOT help. How many Republicans do you think are in THAT crowd?
Do any of you have any idea how difficult it is to respond to a tragedy of this order? Maybe you lack of military training is already starting to show? You fall right into this blame Bush and blame the Republicans bullshit.
No power for most of the region. No communications for most of the region. The Red Cross, The Salvation Army, FEMA, and the Guard have to bring:
Food, Water, fuel, armed guards, communications systems, clothes, medecine, shelter, cooking gear, and countless other items into not just New Orleans but 20,000 freakin square miles of devastation. They have to bring supplies for themselves AND for the people living there. Streets are flooded, bridges are out, trees are down. They have to bring gear to deal with that also - and they have to deal with it on the way. There is one road open into and out of New Orleans. One. Troops, recue workers, and supplies not staged on the ONE road have to be redeployed don’t they? Look at amap - pretty big detour isn’t it?
Five days to mount a major effort like that is just about right. At the most, it could have been shaved to four days.
Help? No. Instead - you just attack. Condi Rice goes to see a play? Sorry - the Secretary of State has nothing to do with this. Did any of you watch TV last night? Maybe get a pizza? Then by your own standards you are assholes. You guys make me sick.
September 2nd, 2005 at 4:31 pm
Kahn,
Bush, himself, has admitted that the relief efforts by the federal government have been inadequate. To blindly defend him now proves that you don’t look at his actions before praising them!
September 2nd, 2005 at 4:32 pm
“ya know matt im suprised that you would let a man on this site that would have the nerve to call a man of jewish faith a NAZI”
Don - please change your tag line to “Don the Jew - so it’s OK if I hate you.”
September 2nd, 2005 at 4:46 pm
Back again,
ya know i read what you have said kahn, and i guess i was a little hard on the pres. i mean he did cut his month long vacation short, so he has made sacrifices. i might know what to do, but i would of thought KNOWING that this storm was heading for the us, i would think everyone that is in charge, the top level admin. would of wanted to be all together to react to this storm. but i understand that some people have more important things to do, so again im sorry if im being hard on them.
it was nice to see bush admit that he was very dissappointed that more hasn’t been done. but as the saying goes. the buck has to stop somewhere, i guess its wrong to blame bush for it all, but on the other hand, the people that failed…. were mostly put in the postition but none other than bush. so he might not of been to blame for the sad picture down south, but in the end it all falls on him. maybe he has made very poor choices on who he has put in power, and that my friend falls on bushes LAP.
with knowing all that, we as americans need to more closely look at the people bush appoints to protect this country, the ones that are in charge for various things.
i wonder if it would of been differnt if the storm would of hit texas, and not a heavily poor area of the country. just a thought i guess.,
so even thought various people might not have anything to do with helping out in the aftermath. they need to give the assumption that they are doing all they can do to help.
maybe condi should of givin the money that she spent on this trip to the relief effort. well i guess not really, cause we all know that PRADA are really cheap. what a gal, lets see help people that have nothing or lets say buy shoes that cost as much as some people make in a month. way to go.
don
September 2nd, 2005 at 4:59 pm
dont mean to do a cut and paste but here goes
What does surprise us: Just moments ago at the Ferragamo on 5th Avenue, Condoleeza Rice was seen spending several thousands of dollars on some nice, new shoes (we’ve confirmed this, so her new heels will surely get coverage from the WaPo’s Robin Givhan). A fellow shopper, unable to fathom the absurdity of Rice’s timing, went up to the Secretary and reportedly shouted, “How dare you shop for shoes while thousands are dying and homeless!” Never one to have her fashion choices questioned, Rice had security PHYSICALLY REMOVE the woman.
Angry Lady, whoever you are, we love you. You are a true American. For anyone who still doesn´t get it, let´s talk for a moment about why this story matters.
The president, finally, has decided that the hurricane is a problem. He claims yesterday at 5pm, finally, that he´s going to be devoting his entire administration to saving the lives of the people currently dying in this growing national disaster. And what does a top member of his cabinet do? She goes to a Broadway comedy and today is buying multi-thousand-dollar shoes on 5th Avenue at the same time CNN is showing dead grandmothers in wheelchairs abandoned on the streets of New Orleans.
This is more than just a cheap shot at Condi. What in the blazes is this woman doing at a Broadway show in the middle of a national emergency? This is akin to going to a Broadway show in the middle of September 11. Don´t we expect the Secretary of State to work past 5pm on a day an entire American city is being wiped off the face of the planet? And shouldn´t she be doing something else today than shopping at filthy rich stores on 5th Avenue? Could she be - oh, I don´t know - working with foreign leaders, like the Mexicans, to see what immediate assistance they can offer to the neighbor?
New Orleans is ceasing to exist. What in God´s name is Bush doing letting his secretary of state go on vacation in the middle of this?
September 2nd, 2005 at 6:13 pm
The President is never really on vacation “Don the Jew so it’s OK if I hate you”. I have neighbors who have been on the military communications team. With Congress on recess - he has full communications.
And - what the hell does Condi Rice have to do with this? The Sec. of State is not in the chain of command on this. At least she isn’t stealing the shoes. Can’t she have a life? Does becoming a cabinet member mean that you are a nun or a priest? President Clinton certainly didn’t think so. This IS a cheap shot.
You hate so much you don’t even realize that your posts are dripping with it. Asshole.
But - again - you are ignorant. I notice you dropped the line about the Guard you started the other day after I challenged you to back it up with numbers and links. Now - explain to me how the Sec of State fits into the chain of command between the Sec of Homeland Security and the President? It IS nitpicking. It IS a cheap shot. And, it IS WRONG.
Start making us Republicans sew yellow elephants on our clothes so you can spot us in public.
September 2nd, 2005 at 6:41 pm
Sure would have come in handy - don’t ya think?
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015
September 2nd, 2005 at 6:48 pm
im leaving to go out for the night, WOW kahn, thats the reason the place is a nightmare, cause of the buses. wow talk about a stretch. you sure those weren’t the short buses.
gotta hand it to you,
don
September 2nd, 2005 at 7:00 pm
also matt, if you think im getting out of line send me a email, to the one i submit with every post.
I can just see this the right saying “i told you so, if we would of fixed the public education system, like we wanted to, this tragady wouldnt of happen”
once again blaming the ills of this country on the public schools. wow kahn you would make a excellent law maker.
peace
don
September 2nd, 2005 at 7:40 pm
Don - it was enough to get thousands of people out. The mayor chose not to use them - the same guy who’s going ballistic on the Federal government. That was the point. WOW - you didn’t know that. WOW - you didn’t get it. WOW anyting I posted would have been evil and pointless because I’m conservative. You pip.
September 2nd, 2005 at 7:55 pm
Can any of you liberals get this? The federal government had to assemble a fleet of busses from all over Texas, Louisiana, and Tennessee and further to take refugees out. Bring the from all over, get them to the west of New Orleans - drive in - pick up - and drive out. Like, even today to Houston. Yet - there are enough busses - with gas in them - sitting in New Orleans to do the job. But, that would have come out of the City budget. Better to let your people starve then help them yourself. Those busses were available and in working order right after the hurricane went through. It took a couple of days for them to get flooded out. They could have used them to start getting people out of the neighborhoods and the Superdome THREE days ago. The busses were all gassed up and ready to go. That is what is wrong with the liberal culture.
Bet your ass those looters down there (the TV set and jewelry crowd, not the food and water crowd) are proud voters in the Democrat Party. The snipers keeping 150 firefighters and their family members trapped in a building right now are probably NOT NRA members. But I’ll bet they vote a straight Dem ticket if they vote at all. I’d like to see the black leadership deplore the actions of the people shooting at Police and rescue workers. Is that racist?
September 2nd, 2005 at 9:25 pm
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-the-Astrodome
September 3rd, 2005 at 12:12 pm
hey kahn, i hear you talk about this word HATE, that i hate, we hate, she hates, he hates, the dog hates, the cat hate the people on the right. could it be you spreading the value of hate.
so you want links.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caneboats0205sep02,0,5932477.story?coll=orl-home-headlines
i dont know how you can sit there and give bush a pass on this pathetic performance. it has been a faliure going all the way up to the highest levels of the goverment.
and in case you didnt know, FEMA did a mock hurricane, they called it PAM, and the simulated what would happen if one hit new orleans, and what do you think they learned from it. lets see , the exact thing that is happening right now.
heres the link from fema,
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=13051
they knew that this could turn out to be a tragic time, and seeing as they had 5, hell even if it was 3 days, what the response from our govt. is just shamefull. just imagine if the terriost attack up. you think they will give us 3 days notice.
and you can blame the whole world. hell ill let you blame my sisters CAT it that makes you feel better. but in the end it all falls on bush. Ya know I thought he was the President of THE USA. If hes not in control please tell me who it KAHN.
and getting back to condi, she is a mouth piece for the US, how do you think it reflects on the USA when a person that is in the position that she is, one of the highest ranking members is the govt. to have her go off to NYC to see a play, then go by $2500+ shoes, while people are dieing in the south, and coming from the richest and powerfull country in the freakin solar system. Just shows the world what kinda leaders we have, well i guess to use the word LEADERS is kinda jumoing the gun. I should say the people that want to be leaders and hold the title of being leaders, but in the end not much more than some 2-bit operators.
don
September 3rd, 2005 at 12:19 pm
a few more thoughts. the first link it posted was a article about 500 air boats that were loaded with supplies, plus when they drop it off, they would take people out, and what do you think FEMA did, told them no. i guess they were hoping to get those school buses started kahn. thats the failure im talking about.
i wasnt asking for a miracles from above, but to take 5 days to get major help is just so sad.
and with the looter, yes i agree the people that are stealing TVs and rolexes and the such should be shoot, but when you see people that are looting for basics, water, food, medicine. they are looting cause the govt. has failed them.
i would like to see what you would do if you were down there kahn, you being the MAN of the house, and to see your loved ones dieing. WHAT would you do kahn, go down to the local starbucks and get online to talk about what a wonderfull job the people that are incharge doing. or would you be one of the people that is doing everything they can to stay alive. so tell us KAHN what would you do.
don
September 3rd, 2005 at 3:25 pm
Don,
Lets step back a second. First off - The governor of Louisiana is a Dem and so is the mayor of New Orleans. The local Police and emergency workers work for the mayor. He could have used his thousand busses to evacuate. Why didn’t he? The State Police and the National Guard work for the governor - not the President unless activated into the Army. Why didn’t she activate them sooner? There is plenty of blame to go around.
I have heard liberals here blame Bush for the Hurricane, the damage , and the ineptitude of people on the ground. It is getting old. The point I’m trying make above is simple - lets be Americans for a little while OK and put the hate aside.
So - a disaster strikes and destroys 20,000 square miles. Food, fuel, communications, water - all out. The storm was still hurricane force well into the northern parts of the three states most affected. Now, just who do you think was waiting in their trucks with the engines running waiting to help rescue people in three states?
The point I guess I’m making is that this storm hit last weekend. It was massive. Far worst that ANYONE imagined. Could the people involved done better? Possibly. Could the locals have committed more resources to evacuation? Yes. Should people have paid attention to FEMA and homeland defense and had home emergency survival kits for every family member? Yes (my family does - even have MRE’s). Is Bush to blame - if yes, then only in a very abstract sense. I don’t think that help could have gotten there sooner then by more than a day. Two at the most.
The logistical and personnel problem is immense. Troops, supplies, and transport had to be assembled and deployed to staging areas close in. Who would have expected only one major road into New Orleans to be open? Almost all the aid has had to be assembled from places far outside the region - and they have to bring in enough stuff (including communications gear) to maintain themselves.
Add to that the fact that so many people who should have left didn’t. I know that this was because so many are poor and didn’t have cars - there are those thousand unused busses though - well enough blame. The few bad people (I don’t blame those looting for food and water and needed goods) who shot things up and went wild probably collectively added a full day of misery to New Orleans. Local rescue people just didn’t have the resources to deal with them.
The real answer I think is that we as a nation were unprepared for this. That maybe there should be regional emergency caches - and plans to purchase supplies. That transportation should be identified ahead of time.
You can blame Bush all you want. Maybe if the Democrats weren’t already blaming him for everything under the sun it might ring true. As it is though in my mind - it rings false. You did not see Republicans driving cars with the no W stickers nor see anything like the degree of hatred with Clinton that we see from you now.
Blame W if you want - but you’re wrong and it will not serve the nation. Yes. I do believe that you hate. I believe that many liberals hate W and the Republicans and the whole conservative movement. Since I am a conservative that means you hate me too. And I’m sick of it.
And – To answer a question in your last post. I have water, food, tents, back-packs, camping stoves, and guns. I’m a former Marine, my to oldest boys are Boy Scouts, and I’m an NRA member. My wife can shoot – and so can my youngest boy. The point here is that I don’t expect the government to come save my ass – I already have much lower expectations than you do. The point of conservatism is to NOT rely on the government – but instead to rely on your self as much as possible. Life is not a two hour TV movie Don. Logistics, distance, technology, mob mentality are all real. The response you wanted the government to make was probably just impossible to make. Do you think they’d do it on purpose – be slow on purpose? Do you think they’re evil or something? Well – there’s that hate thing again.
September 3rd, 2005 at 7:08 pm
you ask us why we have a problem with bush.
lets see in a nut shell the following
I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record. I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history. I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period. I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month. I’m proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My “poorest millionaire,” Condoleezza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a U.S. President. I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations. My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron. My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution.
More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed. I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history. I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history. I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government. I’ve broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history. I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.–this is true. PREI withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.–actually what happened is the World Court is changing into the International Criminal Court-because the US wants to be a part of the court, but not be open to having the US have charges brought up against them, they have temporarily ceased negotiating with the countries involved in and taking part in the establishment of the ICC. So, in other words, the US wants to be able to establish the laws within the ICC, practice those laws within the ICC, but not have those laws applied to our country. I refused to allow inspectors’ access to U.S. “prisoners of war” detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.–Guantanomo Bay. I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election). I set the record for least number of press conferences of any President since the advent of television. I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history. I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Centre attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most disliked country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history. I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community. I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families - in wartime. In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq, and then blamed the lies on our British friends. I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security. I am supporting development of a nuclear “Tactical Bunker Buster,” WMD. I have so far failed to fulfil my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.
September 3rd, 2005 at 7:32 pm
Well - there ya go. Rather than argue and debunk each item. I’ll just use your post to illustrate my point. First, you admitted hatred. Good first step. Second, it shows why I’m skeptical now when you immediately jump on W. You ALREADY hate hi (and apparently his whole cabinet.)
One thing though - they may be rich to you and me - but they are paupers compared to the Democratic Senators. Now there is a RICH crowd. Several Billionaires, many many millionaires.
And well – many of those guys voted to invade those two countries you mentioned (almost all in fact). And one more point - telling a factual mistake is not a lie. Hell, it isn’t even one to Michael Moore unless someone else does it.
Wallow in your hatred Don. You smell more like a Nazi to me every minute.
September 3rd, 2005 at 8:27 pm
Don, Don, Don. At least I just post links instead of plagiarizing web sites and calling them my own. And my posts are my own. You intelectual weakling. I knew you couldn’t think for yourself…..
http://www.beedub.com/bush_resume.html
September 3rd, 2005 at 8:48 pm
kahn, kahn. i never implied that the comments in my last post was my own. and if you would of really looked at it, it says “I”, as in talking in a one person sense. i thought you would of been smart enough to pick that up. but then again that dosent take away what was stated. i just said, this is why i have issues with bush.
so then again i post the question for you. what does one man have to do to be considered unfit to run this great country. and WHEN do question what is being done. by your standards, we should never question or ask the hard questions. so at what point kahn do YOU stop giving bush a pass.
and its kinda funny the one thing you use to attack me, he using the nazi comment. wow way to go my friend.
don
September 3rd, 2005 at 8:53 pm
Nope - you posted as if writing that yourself - weasel. Hence forth you will be called “The Weasel”
FYI - From Drudge:
Louisiana disaster plan, pg 13, para 5 , dated 01/00
‘The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating’…
Soooooo the failure started with the DEm mayor of New Orleans and was compounded by the Dem Governor of Louisiana. Weasel - can you at least admit this point? Everytime I refute one of your points you just move on to a new one. It is, the liberal tactic.
September 3rd, 2005 at 9:07 pm
Weasel and the rest. I refer to people having common characteristics with Nazi’s. That does not mean that I believe you want to gas Jews.
The Nazi’s unified a broken Germany and did an incredible job rebuilding to the point they almost conquered Western Europe. They came to power and maintained this momentum by giving the Germans a common enemy - Jews. Were their grievances against the Jews valid? No. That does not matter. The fact that the true Nazi’s believed it was enough. They were actually pretty irrational about it all.
Skip forward 70 years. Liberals have a long (reference the Weasels Post) list of grievances with W and all conservatives. Are they rational? – actually, on a few issues - yes. But they offer no solutions. No solution to energy except non-existent “alternatives.” No solutions for national security. No solutions for Terrorism. Only criticism. Only hatred. It unifies them. This is what I mean. The Nazi’s used hatred and propaganda to unify their people. It did not matter if it was irrational. Once into the groupthink it was enough to hate.
Honestly, I’ve heard the same kind of nonsense from the radical right. The real radical right - not what the weasel thinks it is. Rumors of training Russians to help take over. Stories of “black helicopters”. Really some crazy stuff. It is as nonsensical as the liberals hatred and as nonsensical as the nazi hatred.
So Weasel - if you would actually read something. And maybe form your own idea, you would see this. But - I get the impression that you won’t. You are right in the middle of it.
Think about this. Republican offices were shot into and firebombed multiple times in the last election. Look it up. Is that what the party of compassion does Weasel? Or, does it smell like something else?
September 3rd, 2005 at 9:16 pm
Just think. All those National Guard troops? Mostly white Christian conservatives. Liberals don’t join because they hate the war. And - you’ve scared off the blacks from joining!
The Salvation Army? The liberals hated Bush for wanting to give federal funds to them because they were Christian!
Who would liberals have help out in situations like Katrina? Not the Boy Scouts - hate them too. Not the Army, those baby killers. Not the Marines - those crazy bastards.
My Scouts raised almost a thousand dollars the other day (three SCouts, after school collecting with buckets), The Navy is there, the Army is there, the Marines are sending 2000 in. Too bad none of you liberals thought it was a good idea to join. You can’t help now. Well, you can still send money and/or volunteer.
September 3rd, 2005 at 9:29 pm
kahn, so i pose this question to you.
you state that there is more than enough help, and everything is being done.
now bush say that not enough is being done and hes very dissappointed with the response.
so tell me whos telling the truth, YOU or BUSH. i suppose you wont answer that one, and why should you, will point out how faulty your facts are.
so go and call me a nazi and weasel. point in case when faced with hard questions, you turn to hate comments.
don
September 3rd, 2005 at 9:45 pm
Weasel - Won’t admit that the mayor screwed up? On to a new subject now are we?
There ARE enough troops. They are there and more are in-route. Plus, there are overlapping agencies and aid organizations there also. Life is not a TV movie. Deploying troops, equipment, and supplies takes time. The fact that we are in Iraq is irrelevant. I see from your posts that you don’t think we should be in Afghanistan either. Great.
Just think how much easier it would have been if the Democrat leadership there had read the damn plan and been willing to spend the gas money to use those busses. So now, we have to spend all this time and energy saving people who THEY should have gotten out of there? It does not help when the first line of defense runs away and leaves his people behind. Then the mayor gets on TV screaming about what a piss poor job we’re doing. But - he wasn’t in New Orleans was he? He and his family got out. And yet, those busses. Those gassed up ready to go busses - sitting there - now flooded. And you won’t admit that the ONE for real and sure example of incompetence that we can PROVE right now is on the shoulders of the - dare I say it?- The Black Democrat Mayor of New Orleans!!!!!
Your objectivity is suspect.
September 3rd, 2005 at 10:04 pm
kahn, you sit there and talk about blaming the local govt. WOW, i didnt know they had the approval to call up the natl. guard, and get the massive relief into the region. hell i need some help clearing the tress and plants on my property. you wouldnt know the number of the army corps of engineers, maybe i can call them up and see what help they can give me.
you would love to deflect the blame on the people that deserve it. so sad i tell you. boy what a bunch of selfish assholes we are, to expect our OWN federal govt to help us out. boy thanks so much for pointing out our faliures.
so tell me kahn the MONEY the army needed to fix the leeves in N.O. i wonder why bush saw the need to deflect the money they needed to places that our not in our own intrest. well maybe the oil companies intrest.
you would think seeing on how important the coast was to the security of our energy pipe line, to have bush neglict it, shows just how much he has failed.
kahn, i tell you, your one in a million.
don
September 3rd, 2005 at 10:39 pm
so kahn you seem to be quite fixed on the nazis and all. if you want to hold a debate on what makes a facist country, like hitler’s. before we continue with it take a look at this site.
http://www.bushflash.com/14.html
the 14 points of a facist country. the more you speak, the more i see what you are. you rant on blind ideas and all, example, to talk that we are doing everything we can, and that there is more than enough help down there, even after bush states that not enough is being done.
so kahn take a look at the link and get back to me.
don
September 4th, 2005 at 12:21 am
You didn’t know? Dolt. The National Guard works for the governor of any particular state unless activated into the Army or Air Force. That is why the Air Guard is fighting the BRAC Commission on some unit redeployments. Really - it’s hard arguing with someone who is so ignorant. President Bush, or any Federal officer could not order the Louisiana National Guard to deploy. Thanks for pointing out yet another failure by a Democrat on the scene.
http://www.agd.state.tx.us/jag/TAL%20Article2.doc
I like your fascist post
Waco – http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/
Ruby Ridge –
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-lynch082102.asp
The difference is, I guess that liberals CLAIM bad things about Republicans. But Democrats in power means Americans killed by the government.
We have our own set of dislikes about your crowd Weasel. Think that killing 84 men women and children for what started out as a misdemeanor warrant is justified?
September 4th, 2005 at 12:27 am
kahn i love when i post a issue or FACT that you dont like, you bow to the level of calling people hate names. heck i should do the same with you.
i dont like what you posted kahn, so instead of trying to discredit, ill call you lets see,
kahn i didnt know you like to have sex with animals. i better tell my sister to keep her cat inside.
didnt really relize how sick and pathetic you are kahn, and you know im done have this debate with you. just wasteing my time on a loser like your self, plus i hate people that have sex with animals.
so kahn i do hope you enjoy your close minded and pathetic world.
don
September 4th, 2005 at 12:35 am
Weasel - more on the Facism post.
So, let me get this straight. The showing of support by display of flags after 9/11 was fascist?
The support of our military while they are actually being shot at in combat overseas is facist? The post says “undue support for the military” - please define that. Hijack another web site if you need to. You guys really are pieces of work.
Undue concern with national security? After the Democrats screamed bloody murder after 9/11 and voted these changes in along with the Republicans? Hell - Bush didn’t even want the Department of Homeland Security and the press and the liberals went nuts demanding a reorganization.
And - to also correct a lie in your earlier post - the prisoners at Guantanamo are not Prisoners Of War. That is a discreet legal status defined under the Geneava Conventions. These prisoners in NO WAY meet these criteria. But - as I have stated numerous times. I actually agree with you on this. i don’t think they should be prisoners - we should have killed them.
At least the Republicans don’t try to take away your guns (a point missed in your post by the way). So another point besides the destruction of a religous group.
And - you guys are the ones doing the hate mongering. Though we are getting annoyed with you.
http://usa-the-republic.com/jurisprudentia/firearms_1.html
September 4th, 2005 at 12:41 am
hey animal lover, i guess along with being a bigot, you cant seem to read. thats what they teach in school. but i guess you were to busy learning hate to learn how to read. after i told you i dont want to continue this debate, you post somthing.
wow, i guess people that have sex with animals cant even read.,
don
September 4th, 2005 at 12:42 am
But Weasel, I started calling you that after you had the gaul to cut and paste a web site in as a post of your own. And - you have posted no facts. Only accusation after accusation which I have disproven. You won’t even admit that the Democrats on the ground down there screwed up after clear evidence.
And - no you know the animal thing is not true. Why would I do a thing like that when we all know how much your mother likes giving head before showing her poop chute?
September 4th, 2005 at 2:09 am
Matt, i know you are a good man, a god fearing man. i would ask you to remove kahn post linking the left to being nazi’s be taken off. and warn kahn, just like you did mike to stop. I do know alot of people on the left are of jewish faith, just as there are on the right. and to know that someone on your site feels free that they can say what ever they want. i know this is a free country and we are free to post what we think with out the fear of the govt. going after them.
but for kahn to post such, in my eyes and alot of other. to allow a man with such hatred is appauling. i just hope you kahn can learn from what you have posted and in time can learn to be a little more understanding. To leave a person go ahead and post things that can only be assumed as spreading hate, and i know this site is better than that.
don
September 4th, 2005 at 3:58 am
If any other President had been playing (or at least appearing to play) guitar while New Orleans was decimated there would be lynch mobs on the White House lawn. I made a donation to the Red Cross on Wednesday and yesterday I found out that Homeland Security was keeping the Red Cross out of the city because “If you give them food and water they won’t want to leave”.
Look, “Popular Mechanics” among many others knew that this was going to happen. Actually, the last head of FEMA publicly said this, so Bush fired him and replaced him with Brown, a political crony whose experience consisted of being head of an Arabian Horse breeding association for 11 years. So this “No one knew the extent of the damage” is an outright lie.
Several foreign countries offered help and were told no. Chicago offered help and was told no. 9 million MREs were in Colorado waiting to be shipped but they were ordered to wait until Bush gave the okay to ship them.
I hear a lot of blame being placed on the local governments of New Orleans and Louisiana (I guess because they are Democrats), but Bush has expanded the power of the Federal Government more than anyone since LBJ and his party controlls all three branches, and never once have I seen him assigned responsibility for ANYTHING. He’s had this Homeland Security for almost four years now and other than a confusing color alert system and telling us to buy duct tape, and “keep shopping” I don’t know what else it does.
If a natural disaster that had several days warning is ignored for days after it hits in the Reddest of Red States and when help finally arrives it is consistently hindered by mass confusion at the Federal level, what the hell is going to happen when a man-made disaster hits a big city in a Blue State that Bush has decided he doesn’t like?
Bush continued staying at that phony ranch while a city that was a 40 min flight away was being destroyed, but when it was time for to sign a law to keep a vegetable on life support and interfere in an intensely private family matter he left his phony ranch in the middle of the night to fly to Washington. Bush is all politics and no policy.
September 4th, 2005 at 3:40 pm
Weasel - you are full of hate and it blinds you to logic - that is your similarity to nazi’s. Actually - being completely convinced of you rightenss in the face of evidence and refusal to admit ANYTHING that goes against it is also proof. Busses, busses, busses - why didn’t they use those busses?
Jay - How long has this been know? Isn’t it like FORTY YEARS? Even longer? So New Orleans flooding is Bush’s fault? You guys are assholes.
And - as long as we’re fixing blame - why didn’t the governor call up the Guard earlier? Could it be she didn’t want to spend the money? How about those busses in New Oreans? That money would have come out of the city budget and that is why the mayor didn’t use them. The collective incompetence of two elected Democrats on the ground is what made this bad.
September 4th, 2005 at 7:00 pm
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/9/4/151327.shtml
September 4th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
the buses, the buses, the buses. wow only if the buses were working. then all this mayham wouldn’t be. oh the buses, the sweet buses. damn public schools, why didnt they have those buses ready.
kahn if you want to sit there and blame all this on the freakin buses, go ahead.
oh ya, talk about people on the left getting thier info from moore. if newsmax isn’t the extreme right view. then tell what is.
ITS THE JOB OF THE FEDRAL GOVT. TO OVER SEE THE BIG PICTURE. what about the people that wanted to help but were told wait for bush. the 500 air boats that wanted to enter the area with supplies, and ferry people out. they were turned away. i guess bush wanted them to wait, till he got back in DC so he could look like a hero. what about all the people that were forced to stay in the convention center. you would love to lay the blame on the FREAKIN buses, and not where it should be.
what do you say to bush, when he diverted money that was suppose to be used to fix the leeves. i guess the work in iraq was more important. you can blame the dems. and the freakin buses all you want.
but in the end. your MAN bush failed us all. when the history books are written and its all been said and done. bush will have gone down as the biggest faluire the US has ever saw.
so go and read your newmax website, and blame the buses. but in the end, it was the biggest faluire on the bush admin. so sad the man that so many counted failed them.
i guess bush is really going to need a vacation after this. cause lord knows he hasnt taken enough of them all ready.
don
September 4th, 2005 at 11:01 pm
and in case you didnt pick up on it kahn.
KAHN says
jay - How long has this been know? Isn’t it like FORTY YEARS? Even longer? So New Orleans flooding is Bush’s fault? You guys are assholes.
IT is buses fault. the money the army corp. said they needed and had been givin to fix them were deeply cut, to support the war in IRAQ. And when people complained about it, they resign(or i mean fired) Lets see if we can look at this with freakin LOGIC. Money needed to fix leeves, sent to iraq. Which means they cant be fixed. Leeves not fixed. water fills up and leeves break and flood N.O.
SO in the end it IS his fault, cause if we werent in IRAQ, they would of had the money.
don
September 5th, 2005 at 8:50 am
You have no facts to back you up. There is an ONGOING evaluation of the levee system. It is a very long and complicated system. It’s not like they said ” Hey, there might be a hurricane but lets pull money from that to send to Iraq!” You make assumptions based on facts that are not true.
Your ignorance is overwhelming. The busses should have been used BEFORE the hurricane. They WERE working. The Guard should have been called up BEFORE the hurricane. But - that would have come out of local budgets.
Are you being this obtuse on purpose? You don’t like Newsmax - fair enough. But you don’t dispute the facts - just the source? Then, it’s right on to a NEW UNPROVEN allegation.
It is obvious to me that your deep seated hatred will not allow you to admit that any Democrat could have done anything wrong. I’m sure that in your little squirrel cage mind it’s all Bush’s fault. It does not matter to you that the first response responsibility belongs to people who are close to the scene (duh). Go ahead and wallow in your hate.
It is becoming so clear to me. Liberals are stupid. Your leaders use you to stay rich and in power. Look at how much the Dem Senators are worth. Look at poverty pimps like Jesse Jackson. You guys are stupid.
You nevert admit obvious facts - It was the mayors fault that so many were left behind. Not HIS family mind - they’re OK. It was the governors fault that so few Guard troops showed up. The Federal government is supposed to back them up and help with long tem care and rebuilding. You critisize Bush for not going, and for going. Give me a break. Are you just that full of hate or are you stupid? It really has to be one or the other. Well, maybe both.
September 5th, 2005 at 12:50 pm
Nothing you say will change anything. If you are a war hawk yet refuse to serve your own country in time of need, you’re a chickenshit and that’s no lie. Those who don’t support it are stuck there fighting for you people. For you to support the war, insult those who don’t, and think this is all a fucking game, are l-o-s-e-r-s. Chickenshit losers. If you voice support and voice contempt, you’re a chickenhawk.
September 5th, 2005 at 12:53 pm
ok kahn well take this from another angle.
you talk about WE get our info from moores site, well i dont know about others but i goto many places to get my info.
so what if people find a site that collects info about the insane things that are done by our govt. so in your own words. you ask me not to discredit the site, but try to discredit the news. so i ask the same of you. i could go on forever about the deadly mistakes that have been done by the people in charge. but still dosent take away from lack of leadership. just a total failure on the federal govt. and that is from bushes mouth.
also please try to explain this. why DIDN’T bush order the flags to be flown at half mast when this tragedy happen. NO HE ORDERED THEM FLOWN AT HALF MAST WHEN Rehnquist died. how pathetic is that. please tell us kahn, why didnt bush feel that the gulf coast nightmare warrented a public showing of greif. THAT MY FRIEND IS WHY PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WITH BUSH.
so go ahead and use your BLIND PRAISE for bush, dint know whats worst, as you say blind hate or is blind praise better.
don
September 5th, 2005 at 3:22 pm
lets even take another spin on this kahn..
you say we are blaming bush for things that are not his fault, I.E., katrina, iraq, economy, health care and on and on. so do tell us what IS bush’s job. please tell us what he can be held accountable for. by your standards we should only blame people that are incharge. so do tell US what does he do, what is his job. the only thing i see him do very WELL is take vacations. so is he the president of Vacations, or is he the president of the USA.
i just want to know. i think we would all love to know. when do you and others start holding him to the fire and question what he is doing, cause i dont really see anyone on the right doing that.
don
September 5th, 2005 at 4:38 pm
Todd - What is the point of your post? I don’t get it. Don’t join the military Todd. Don’t join the Guard. That will mean that EVEN MORE of the people actually doing anything will be Republicans and you will know even less about the real world than you did before. Maybe you can get together with Mike and the Weasel to burn conservative books.
Weasel - don’t change the subject. What about the Democrat local leadership in Louisiana and New Orleans? According to all the laws and plans - they were responsible. Will you admit that?
And so now that your other arguments fail, its on to flags. Asshole. I have pointed out this technique. Change the subject when you meet argument. Never admit anything. Thanks for using it again to prove that point at least.
Yes - I posted a Newsmax link. Was it wrong? Or did you just not like the source? It was about Rudy Giuliani agreeing with I said about who was responsible for what. So, what’s your point? Is he wrong? Ever actually read a plan or thought about who is responsible for what? You don’t care I know - hate does that.
Funny – you were all so mad about the 2000 election in Florida. And that crisis was caused by incompetent Democrats in local leadership positions also. The local DEMOCRATS controlled the counties in question. They came up with the stupid hard to read ballot. Then, the stupid Democrat voters picked the wrong person to vote for. Darwin would have been laughing his ass off. Talk about natural selection!
With Congress out of D.C. and modern communications - why does Bush need to be in D.C. to govern? Ever seen any of the Air Force Ones? (There are several planes, each is only AF1 when the president is aboard). Hundreds of antennas. Computers, phones. How many phones you think he needs? He acts like the head of a major corporation. Keeps himself fit in body and mind. Delegates authority. And….you hate that? Why?
I remember when Jimmy Carter practically locked himself in the White House during the hostage crisis - of course I didn’t know about it till late into it - as i spent the first three months of the crisis flying reconnaissance missions up into Iran in preparation for the rescue mission. But what the hey Weasel – you’re ignorant anyways about such things aren’t you?
September 5th, 2005 at 4:43 pm
Actually the flood prevention was an ongoing effort—the natural prevention of flooding is the wetlands. Bush 41 instituted a program to restore some of those wetlands and Clinton carried it on. Bush 43 gutted the program and hastened the wetland depletion. That left the levees as the only source of protection. When it was brought up that the levees would need to be reinforced by FEMA Bush fired the head of FEMA and replaced him with a crony with no experience. That’s the first horrible mistake and you will note it is ignored by every one of the pro-Bush posters here.
Karl Rove has instituted the “blame the Dem Mayor and Gov” talking point, a classic Rove strategy of shifting blame to someone else from “The buck stops anywhere but here” Bush. Fine, so Louisiana politicians are inept. What else is new? Bush authorized that FEMA should do whatever it could on August 27th meaning the Federal Government was supposed to take charge. It didn’t—nothing but mass confusion and that is where the real problem was and the second big mistake, also ignored by the pro-Bush posters.
Then after the complete devestation a man who God made President (that’s what Bush and the Bush Supporters believe) would have stepped in and tried to do something immediately. Instead Bsuh played guitar while trying to connect Iraq to World War II, Condi Rice went on vacation to NYC and Cheney just vanished for six days. That was the third big mistake, and you will see that is also ignored.
I went through this last night with a grouchy drunk at a bar (and if you are in a bar, you sure as hell have a vested interest in not liking Bush) who brought up the subject and then got angry and didn’t want to talk about it anymore, the universal reaction of Bush Supporters when anyone disagrees with them.
The political situation is going to get nastier than it already was in the next few months, as then will we be told “The dead are nothing but n*gg*rs who stayed behind to loot” and of course “God sent Katrina to destroy New Orleans because of the Gay and Lesbian Festival that was supposed to be held Labor Day Weekend” as the body count gets higher and gas never reaches that $1 a gallon price Bush Supporters swore up and down we would get by the summer of 2003.
But blaming the Mayor and the Gov and calling me an asshole (not as creative as the Bush Supporter who called me a “gay poopiehead”) won’t bring these people back to life and won’t rebuild New Orleans and won’t change the fact that we just accepted help from the hated UN.
September 5th, 2005 at 7:58 pm
ok kahn, ill take your advice, lets debate one subject at a time.
lets first start with the levees in N.O. knowing that they would never stand a chance against katrina. ok knowing that why was they money the army needed to fix them cut so much. lets see it must of been the damn dems. or no wait could of it been moore, no wait maybe it was my sisters cat. no thats not it. lets see….
2004:
Army Corps request: $11 million [Link]
Bush request: $3 million [Link]
Approved by Congress: $5.5 million [Link]
2005:
Army Corps request: $22.5 million [Link]
Bush request: $3.9 million [Link]
Approved by Congress: $5.7 million [Link]
2006:
Bush request: $2.9 million [Link]
so maybe bush didnt go down to N.O. and knock it over and flood N.O. but his actions were the main reason.
don
September 5th, 2005 at 8:24 pm
hello again group. this next one is for Matt and any others. kahn i want you to stick to my last post about how the admin. policies are to blame for this nightmare.
i know this might peek your intrest matt, as it seems that you may have future political ambitions. the republicans better wake up, the more they stand by bush as the days go by, and the more they give him a passing. it will turn into political death for them. just like the rep. back in the newt area. they just self destoryed. everyone can go on about this is not true and this is a lie, but as long as the majority of american believe a certain way, that become the truth. Mid term elections are coming up and since bush is a lame duck now, they need to cut the cord. for bush cant do anything for them from here on out. if gov. schwarzenegger can figure that out, lets see the gov. was so proud to talk about him after he got elected, and then the last time bush was there a few weeks ago. arnold avoided him like the plague.
so in a way im kinda glad the political arena is turning cancerous. mid term elections are coming up, and the more they stay by bush’s side its going to kill them. they will be handed thier asses on a silver platter.
just a thought. and remember kahn, stick with the levees comment.
don
September 5th, 2005 at 8:49 pm
First off - Weasel. Please tell you dad to stop tryin to lick my ass while I do your mom. OK? So she’s your sister’s puss also eh? Ask her to join in next time - maybe she can keep your dad occupied. We can play this game as much as you want asswipe.
Now. First. I make my own arguments and I’ve been saying the mayor is a jerk long before the curve. Check the posts, check the web. Rove does not call me. And, if the argument is sound, then it is sound. It does not matter who makes it. Carl Rove’s genuius is figuring out the obvious and explaining it to dim witted reporters. Almost ALL reporters are dim witted on both the left and the right. Remember the “Journalism majors” in college?
I would like to point out before I adress the levee isuue of two things. I will not argue with you dweebs anymore after this post if you won’t admit these or adress them in an HONEST manner.
New Orleans had the time and the resources to evacuate. They did not because it would have cut money from the City budget. This greatly complicated rescue and recovery efforts. Also, no-one anticipated the almost complete disintegration of the New Orleans Police Force. Please - one of you Democrat operatives admit that this is true.
Second. The National Guard in any state works for the Governor. Point? Why did the governor of Louisiana delay in the deployment of the Guard and then muddle the deployment? Please admit this truth. Your critism of Bush on this comes across as shrill. Weasel still won’t admit any of this. Wants to talk about levee’s now.
Now - the levee’s. Impressive numbers. But, not actually detailed enough. The way I understand it, these numbers were not for building but for engineering studies. And actual levee improvement operation would be $B’s, not $M’s. The levees were designed to survive a category 3. They got slammed with a 5. But - check this, they did not break where expected. So, I wonder how much the plan would have mattered? It is certainly a debatable issue. But, not the hue and cry you have been making about the early response. Point?
The wetlands have, as you say deteriated greatly. The way I understand it is the the very levee system created to protect New Orleans caused this. The wetlands where replenished year after year by the annual floods. The floods would subside leaving fresh silt behind. No floods, no silt, no wetlands. Complicated problem. The City has not helped by pushing further south into the wetlands - at the same time the wetlands were receding north. Even if your numbers are correct - two years would not have mattered after decades of receding wetlands. Point? And, even if the funds were made available - again it was for studies. And frankly, without dismantling the levee system there is not much of a so;ution. Actually it’s a pretty tough problem. Your critisism of Bush would be founded if his action would have changed anything - but it wouldn’t have. So. again your critism sound shrill.
By the way…..if any of you Bush-bashers have some CONTSRUCTIVE crtisism that might help? Do you think that President Bush should have called an emergency session of Congress to declare martial law in Luisiana and usurp power from the local officials? Declarations that martial law had been declared are false. The process is pretty extreme. But - he could have ordered the arrest of the governor, and they mayor, and anybody else there. Pushed aside the incompetent local leadership and made an Army general governor of Louisiana. Maybe shoot some reporters - certainly stop the looting (with F-18’s if necessary). Is that what you’re mad at Bush for not doing? Hmmmmm, I misunderstood you guys.
Now - you must admit that no-one expected the wide range of destruction across three states spanning extreme in the south but pretty severe all the way to their northern borders. It is the selective blindness to realities on the ground that makes you sound fake and hateful.
September 5th, 2005 at 8:51 pm
I’m sick of responding to one viscous attack after another. Will one of you cowards step up and answer ANY of the issues I’ve raised?
September 5th, 2005 at 9:02 pm
ok kahn , surcome. your right, so now lets divert all the money we have to protect our enviroment, and send it to iraq. oh wait bush is working on that one. so since nothing we can do will fix anything then why try. i love your long post to take away the heat from one of bush’s faults. maybe you can teach that to rove,
and to attack my mother, dad and sister. wow and how old are you kahn. just shows when the right are cornered they come out with attacks like that. thanks for pointing that out to me, as you said kahn, thats one of my pet project exposing people like you.
so since i brought up the last issue to debate. your turn to talk about one.
don
September 5th, 2005 at 11:59 pm
Weasel - you’re the one that tried to out-gross a former Marine with the “I screw animals crap”. I have heard swear words and disgusting things strung together in chains that you will NEVER match. You have only yourself to blame. It can stop anytime you want to actually talk. Meantime – thanks for putting me onto your sister….
You refused to answer any issue in a serious manner. Your posts are strings of disorganized hate filled dribble not founded in reality. Whatever. Hate will destroy you eventually.
I just tried to explain the facts. I assume that some liberals here are honestly looking to solve America’s problems and not to just justify their hatred. Why not go cut and paste a response now from someone who can think coherently.
Oh - Jay. The price to build the levee’s was to be approximately $20 Billion dollars and the project was to take 20-25 years. Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, the Congress (first Dem controlled, then Republican controlled) collectively decided to NOT spend that much money on a hypothetical. So, it was not Bush screwing New Orleans to make war in Iraq. That is just absurd. It makes you people look ridiculous. No. Collectively the collected government just chose to hope this would never happen. Category 5 storms are not very common. And the chances of one hitting New Orleans was small. Hind site is 20/20. I don’t remember this being a campaign issue or anything. Do you?
The local government could have done better. The state could have done better. And yes, the Federal government could have done better. But honestly, and I’ve said it before, only by a day – two at the most. It is simply too large a devastation area. And the logistics are huge. The use of this tragedy to attack the President is misguided and just wrong. The rampant race baiting by Jesse “poverty pimp” Jackson is disgusting. Rather than help, he attacks. He attacks the very people still risking their lives to help right now.
The liberal, progressive, Democrat response to this tragedy is not helping. Sadly typical.
September 6th, 2005 at 12:04 am
Do any of the liberal posters here agree that Don the Weasel should NOT have simply cut and pasted a post from another web site here as his own? Your silence is deafening. Similarly - his move to sexual insults. Yes, I out did him in my response. And I will continue to. Tell him to stop. Unless you like that stuff. Again, whatever.
September 6th, 2005 at 12:14 am
Traced Don to his home address!
http://www.themoderatevoice.com/files/joe-weasel.gif
September 6th, 2005 at 12:31 am
oh my oh my kahn, ya know this will probally be my last post towards you. so sad to see a shell of a man, maybe you can go and live with bush in the white house when the world turns on him.
must suck that he accepted help from the UN, the UN that for years he has bashed as in capable of anything good.
ya know the sad moral of the story is. that all during the 2004 election any chance he got he would talk about how HE can keep us safe, and the others are incapable of doing that. this past week will go down in history as the time when we abandoned our own people. when we needed the people in charge to help us out. where were they. lets see, as another posted playing gutair, going shopping and watching a play. and the other MIA.
our V.P. that had the nerve to tell the world that he would save us and the other would let us die. how ironic.
talk about ironic, we responded faster to the tsunami disaster than we did for a disaster in our own back yard. i guess to expect our own federal govt to help us out in our time of need was a bit to much to ask. for this is a time of great shame, that a country as great as america, could do this to us.
to all the people that voted and counted on him, and all he did was let us down. i feel their pain, even thought i had great concern with him leading this country. never expected this to happen to us. makes us all wonder if we could go back in time and fix our mistakes.
but to sit there and give the govt a passing grade. and talk about how much they have done, and what a wonderful job our admin. is so out of touch with reality. i guess b. bush sumed it all up with her little comment about the people crammed in the astrodome
“And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway so this (she chuckled)–this is working very well for them.”
so go ahead and live in your little worlds and try to dream of a reality. so sad for the ones that are starting to wake up and see the man for who he is.
peace and god bless the USA. for we really need it now.
don
September 6th, 2005 at 12:48 am
You’re not very smart are you Weasel? The New York Times even criticized the proposed Louisiana Flood control legislation as a $2.5 Billion boondoggle in the swamp. Hey, how about those Bush “oil buddies” pledging $500 million in help? That must burn YOU. So, now we’re on to the UN are we? Another new subject from the poster with A.D.D.. Do they really teach you that technique at the liberal seminars – or do you just have a short attention span?
Obviously you are just a wacko. We got criticized for responding to slow to the Tsunami also - that’s because you idiots have no idea how things actually work. Unlike a TV show where a ship leaves a port, the screen shifts and it pulls into another - it can take days, even weeks. You can’t really beam people down from an orbiting start ship Weasel.
You still haven’t admitted anyone but Bush did anything wrong - nor even discussed them. Refused to talk about the busses, or the Guard, or the fact that just came to light about how half the flood pumps were broken. Does it hurt when you read books Weasel? Maybe you need glasses, or maybe a lobotomy. You should seek mental help now. Shock therapy can help pathological irrational hatred.
George Bush was not MIA. The responses could be better – by all involved. But that takes away from the massively good and large job they are doing. You support them like you support the Troops in Iraq – not very well.
http://www.angelfire.com/de/sarcasm/audio/MichaelShanks/StargateSG1/imright.wav
By the way, you make it fun to post Weasel. Your retarded rants are pretty funny.
September 6th, 2005 at 12:50 am
and lastly about my cut and paste. to write and call my own, well if you would of read the freakin post any idiot with a brain cell or 2 would of known it wasnt my own, and if you want to talk about cut and paste. there were a few of your long post that you cut and paste. if you go back and look at your post you will see that ones that you do cut and paste have PERFECT grammer and spelling. because most of your post have grammer and spelling issues. i would go back and try to research them, but why waste my time on a little man like yourself. point is that when i brought up the cut and paste comment a few days ago, you brought up the fact “boy i forget to check my spelling like .5 secs after i post my comment” a typical comment to deflect people noticing. its what liers and cheats do. and thats proven in the medical field.
so now im done, and i see all your buddies coming to your aid. atleast i had ONE. what about you little man.
don
September 6th, 2005 at 12:54 am
Weasel - prove it asshole - find a site. I found yours in a second.
I use word to compile my posts and do spell-checking. I also graduated magna cum Laude from college with a BBA in Strategic management. And, I’ve been published in some technical journals specific to my field.
So, I’m too smart? That’s your argument? You idiot.
September 6th, 2005 at 12:57 am
Won’t any of you other liberals help out the Weasel? He is in way over his head. Incoherent posts, personal insults, constantly changing subjects and refusing to admit when he’s wrong.
You guys CAN’T be happy with HIM as your voice.
September 6th, 2005 at 9:04 am
kahn, i dont know what more to say. if YOU have read my posts. a have admited defeat.
but ill say it again. i was SO wrong to expect the federal govt to help us in a time of need. i know many things went wrong with the local side, but how selfish of me to expect that the higher powers be so kind and help.
you guys on the right are so much better than the rest of the USA. but i do hope in time you guys can learn to forgive us.
so again kahn, dont really see the point of getting into pissing matches with a man that is so much better than us. i mean what makes you so much better is pointing out how im a jewish nazi, and to insult my family. you just showed me and the world what kinda man you are.
and matt im sure glad you have one on your site with those views, so tell me matt does everyone on the right think like kahn.
so ill say it again kahn, your so right and im a fool. i expected so much more and so much better from our leaders, but i guess i was expecting to much.
don
September 6th, 2005 at 9:37 am
Weasel,
You are a liberal Nazi. You have an irrational hatred you can’t defend. You started accusing me of beastiality - you chose to take on a former Marine in an insult war? Moron.
The Democrats failed miserably. The Federal government had stuff rolling as soon as the winds got down to 45 MPH. And, the levee’s broke where they were NEW and not expected to break.
But - thanks for agreeing on the self reliance thing - that is actually what I said in an earlier post.
September 6th, 2005 at 9:49 am
ya thats right, big bad marine. oh ya show the world who you are. its a shame to see a shell of a person that was once a MAN.
first of all, i made the comment when you had the nerve to call me a nazi. talk about hate.
i just hope you can get the help that is needed, for we dont need so much hate. so go ahead and live in your little little world.
its kinda funny, bigots are so easy to make fun of. now the world can be ashamed of 2 people. bush and you.
don
September 6th, 2005 at 9:58 am
Weasel - that lobotomy I suggested for you is looking better and better.
You have answered NOTHING. You have proven NOTHING. You spout hatred. I say hatred is the DEFINING CHARACTERISTIC of a Nazi. Maybe it’s time for you to do some self-reflection.
September 6th, 2005 at 10:11 am
kahn, why do you feel the need to continue this. i told you that im wrong and your right. what more do you want me to do. please tell me, and ill agree to anything you say. cause your so much better.
don
September 6th, 2005 at 10:25 am
OK - surrender accepted
September 6th, 2005 at 12:20 pm
http://operationyellowelephant.blogspot.com/
September 6th, 2005 at 3:59 pm
now that i have been shown the light. and the people on the right have took me in. its so good to hear that bush is going to head up the investigation into what went wrong on his end. only in the current admin. can somthing as insane as that happen. hell lets just have every criminal and loser investigate themselves. but he dissmissed the call for an INDEPENDENT investigation into the failure.
it just gets better and better with each passing day. and to watch and hear the people incharge try to explain the worst failure of any president in the freakin history of the USA.
oh sorry guys, you need to work harder to get me to accept this crap.
don
September 6th, 2005 at 4:03 pm
Todd,
While it turns out I was wrong in an earlier post (the City had 2000 busses it didn’t use - not 1000), I think that it was just normal bureaucratic incompetence that kept the parked. I hear the mayor even apologized to the president today. I realize that many of those people did not have money to survive on if relocated.
But, the point of my posts was that this jumping on Bush was just unfounded. For one thing, it came so fast that it looked political right from the start. No one had all the facts. The governor today admitted she called off some Federal aid until the situation stabilized enough to figure out what was needed where. They were all in a bad and unprecedented situation. Both sides. In fact, I guess what got me mad was that we are talking about sides in a situation like this at all.
Liberals can hate if they must. But it shows and it doesn’t help at all or look very good. I say, lets investigate with an eye to improvement. But don’t be surprised to see this issue drop away when the Dems realize they had a major part in the screw ups.
September 6th, 2005 at 5:21 pm
you guys never should have let the blame genie out of the bottle…..
“Many black people feel that their race, their property conditions and their voting patterns have been a factor in the response,” Jackson told the New York Times after meeting with Louisiana officials.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/5/234033.shtml
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/4/124905.shtml
September 6th, 2005 at 5:40 pm
well people if you want to get talking about the blame game. i guess we shouldnt step on roves job. for that is what hes about.
and if the right want to sit back and think this thing isnt going to kick them in the ass. go right ahead.
but in the end dosent take away the ultimate failure. and that lays on bush. when its all said and done, when the books are written. it will be his leagacy. the man that failed this country. so go ahead and read your rove talking points. but just look ahead when the dust clears down south. its going to be a feeding buffet for bush’s head.
so you all can live in la la land. but soon you will see the republicans distance themselves from bush.
to see a man go down in history as bush will. will be a bitter sweet victory. and i can bet you anything the history books will let him have it. well unless they are printed from the Rove publishing group.
don
September 6th, 2005 at 5:59 pm
ya know the tv stations should start playing last years bush political ads. ya know the ones where bush acted so like a cowboy. the man that could handle any thing that get thrown at him. the man that could protect this country from disasters like this one. the ones that he pointed out how much kerry was weak.
LOOK COUNTRY I CAN PROTECT YOU… YOU CAN COUNT ON ME IN YOUR HOUR OF NEED.
we can count on him in our time of need. ill say it here and say it as much as you want me to. im not taking away any fault on the local govt. i agree they should of done more. but when bush delcared the area a federal disaster area, even before the storm hit. the minute he decalred the area a disaster. the FEDERAL govt needed to step in. and it didnt. that is where they failed up.
but rest assured. now that BUSH personally is going to look into what happen. you can be sure he will get to the bottom of it all. and i can save him all the time, money and trouble trying to find blame, cause we all know it was BILL CLINTONS fault. so if you want us quote liberal to take blame and NONE for bush is just a joke.
don
September 6th, 2005 at 6:11 pm
one more thing. im sure you will be happy matt, this will be my last post. i know i have said it before. but dont really see the point of taking this any further. i thought this was suppose to be a conservative blog, and the only one i see posting from that view is kahn. i know it a person came into my house and started so disrupt it. i would be pissed. but i see no back bone. you might say well if i keep quite then he will go away. what ever your excuse is.
i just wish the good people on the right would wake up and see reality for what it is. but i guess i was wrong.
i do hope you all get the help that is needed. take care group and wish you all the best of luck in 2006 and 2008, cause god knows you guys are going to need it.
peace ..don
September 6th, 2005 at 6:12 pm
Why is it that people can’t seem to stick to the topic discussed in the blog entry anymore?
September 6th, 2005 at 7:43 pm
Sorry Matt - this weasel pulled me off topic, I know. But he’s such an easy target.
Weasel - you say that crap but I’ve disproved every lame claim you’ve made. Blah, blah, blah, Bush suck, blah, blah, blah. You apparently have very weak intellectual capacity. I must admit that some liberals who post here have made interesting and persuasive posts (from time to time). You are not one of them. Your posts are little more than hate speech.
Fact is - first day aside, you’ll see that Bush will be remembered for this - positively.
September 6th, 2005 at 9:14 pm
i know i said this was going to be my last post. this post has nothing to do with bush, katrina, elections or the such.
but i see you are back from vacation matt. so i ask this question of you. you as a god fearing man, a man from what i can see has extreme convictions on what is right and wrong. politics aside. are you going to remove the post that kahn has done, having the known my religious background. i could see if he didnt know, but after i tell him that i am of jewish faith are you going to stand by and let your blog. which im pretty sure you are very proud of. do you condone the actions of kahn, to use such violent hate as to call me a nazi.
he might not agree with what i have to say, and im pretty sure alot of people dont. but thats my views, but to be attacked in a way as kahn has. i ask you as my fellow citizen of this great country, a man of morals. to remove his vicious posts, and relay the same msg you did MIKE that it will not be tollerated. i just want to know how you stand as a hunman.
and no political post kahn, im not here for that.
will be awaiting your reply..
don
September 6th, 2005 at 9:34 pm
ya know i had to do this im waiting for matt to get back to me on my question. once he gives me an answer i will leave forever.
talking about where the buck stops. this is from todays briefing…
He’s such a weasel and the White House Press Corps nailed him today. E&P has the transcript and this is how they describe it:
White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan had not had a full-length press briefing in Washington, D.C. for weeks, and after today, may have wished he had postponed this one. With almost unprecedented vigor, the press corps attacked and probe the federal response to the hurricane disaster, the president’s personal responsibility and failure to fire anyone who failed in his or her mission….
Definitely, definitely worth a read. It will release some of your pent up frustration.
Besides muttering “blame game” over and over, Scotty did say the buck stops with Bush:
Q I just want to follow up on David’s questions on accountability. First, just to get you on the record, where does the buck stop in this administration?
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