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John Kerry Flip Flops On Faith
By Matt Margolis | October 21, 2004
John Kerry during the second presidential debate on October 8th:
“…I can’t take what is an article of faith for me and legislate it for someone who doesn’t share that article of faith, whether they be agnostic, atheist, Jew, Protestant, whatever. I can’t do that.”
John Kerry last Saturday, pandering to social conservatives in Xenia, Ohio:
“I will bring my faith with me to the White House and it will guide me,”
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October 21st, 2004 at 5:16 pm
Lmao Matt. What flip flop? Each man has his own faith. He’ll lead with his faith while not pushing that faith on others. Are you losing your mind?
October 21st, 2004 at 5:28 pm
wow, what reactions, you guys must be really worried about this revelation…your confidence in kerry has been crushed…You don’t like it when Kerry says stuff like that do ya? it makes you nervous.. you’re worried about why he’s trying to act like a conservative and pulling this “man of faith” stuff.
October 21st, 2004 at 9:42 pm
Actually…I don’t mind when Kerry says stuff like this. It doesn’t make him look bad. And I’m anything but nervous right now. But if you’re so desperate (since Kerry is climbing in the polls) that you need to have something to hold on to, don’t let me interfere.
October 22nd, 2004 at 12:08 pm
Matt, I agree with the first two comments. We aren’t worried when he says things like that. We are worried when you start to make arguments like that. Flip flop? Come on, man. You are stretching this too thin. If anybody is scared it is you and the Republicans. Bush has failed America on education, healthcare, and the environment. If the American people want to elect a man for a second term because they think war should be the defining issue, then we all have more problems than we think. The truth is that John Kerry is going to smack around Bush in less than a dozen days and I’m going to laugh at every one of you guys from Blogs for Bush when it happens.
October 22nd, 2004 at 4:56 pm
Boy, Matt! It’s going to be a crying shame when Kerry wins on November 2nd and you’re going to have to take down this whole blog. Looks like you invested much of your free time building this site and to think it’s all going to go right down the drain after the election is over! Oh well! Better find another hobby…
October 22nd, 2004 at 5:41 pm
you guys love to talk the talk don’t yah? It’s really sad.. Kerry climbing the polls???? how many damn polls is Bush whooping his ass in ??? like all of them pretty much.. you guys all say “kerry won the debates” but no one sees any evidence of a kerry victory there… you guys are so sad, you’ll call Bush a religious zealot for saying “God” but Kerry says his “faith will guide him” and you guys pretend like you don’t care. HAHAHA!
October 23rd, 2004 at 4:03 pm
Matt, there is a distinction between being guided by faith in an executive role like the presidency and enacting legislation that enforces your faith on other people. The real question here is why don’t you understand that distinction when people have stated it so clearly to you? The other real question is why do you resort to juvenile, antogonistic by saying things like, “HAHAHA!” at the end of your posts? Are you so intimidated by others that you have to act out in such an immature way?
My advice–take a deep breath, and try to understand what other people are saying to you. At the end of the day, if you don’t understand such an obvious point as this, you are demonstrating that you do not have much intellectual capacity and your opinions really aren’t worth much.
October 23rd, 2004 at 4:47 pm
What a load of dingos kidneys.
Liberals - remember THAT word? Liberals are not afraid of anything Kerry says because they no he will say anything to anyone. They know, as do we conservatives that John Kerry is the most liberal senator and this campaign stuff is meaningless. I challenge any reader here to name a more liberal senator.
So - you believe he wants to re-iniate Kyoto, ban guns, nationalize health care, get us out of Iraq (no matter what the terrible consqueces would be). You believe that he could care less if gays get married - so he’ll support that also. You believe that he will socialize America and diminish our intelligence agencies and military. But, thats all OK because thats what you want. You think that raising taxes would be good - but not on you, on rich people - but not you. He’s so full of crap, its bursting at the seams. But thats OK with you because you are also.
October 23rd, 2004 at 5:17 pm
You can not deny your faith what ever your faith is. But unlike Bush at least Kerry trys to understand others beliefs before making decisions. Bush does flip flop if those arguements end up at his backdoor.(Cheneys daughter) I forgive Bush I hope all of you can find it in your hearts to forgive him also, but he still must be held liable for his actions.
October 23rd, 2004 at 5:30 pm
Matt, have you ever once questioned Bush. Thats your civic duty. I’m sure if you take a long hard look at what he has actually done and not what he has told you you might be very suprised. Being conservative is a good thing without you there would be no middle ground, but quite frankly Bush wants to take your rights away,(and has Patriot Act)Our founding fathers would not take kindly to that. And quite frankly Kerry is no better but what other chose do we as a society have. You can have your vote count or not count.
Any lap dog be it republican or democrat is no good for the people, maybe for big business but not for you and me. And by the way to all of those bashing Matt for his words, where is that getting you. Hate breeds more Hate. It takes to much energy to hate start focusing that on something else. Don’t bring yourself to the level of our “fine” electees.
October 23rd, 2004 at 5:58 pm
Matt, I read with amusement the attempt of the Liberals to justify Kerry’s “Faith” statements. He has been given so much more press than President Bush, that I can’t turn my TV on without seeing his mug….either sipping a Bud or all decked out in his Cabella’s camo. The fact is, I WANT a president who will consult with God every morning, noon and night and not be ashamed to say so. I am giving my vote to Mr. Bush as I did in 2000 and I think your faith point is “Right on”! PS…I’m not at all against sipping Bud or hunting…in fact “I AM THE NRA”. Mr. Kerry is a pure-dee-total fake, right down to his tan!
October 23rd, 2004 at 7:07 pm
There are 23 senators that are more liberal than Kerry according to Progressive Punch, the American Conservative Union gave Kerry a 5 out of 100 but Sen. Kennedy got a 3. And the National Journal put him at the 11th most liberal in his entire career, as this Fact Check article clarifies: [url]http://factcheck.org/article284.html[/url]
The rest of your post seemed like angry, meaningless ranting. The only way I can understand you is if I assume that you have heard the flip flop charge so much that you believe it to the core and assume anything Kerry says is a lie. And you probably haven’t looked at any of Kerry’s positions. Even with all the falsehoods Bush and his surrogates have used throughout their tenture I take their word for it when it comes to their agenda for a second term.
This gun banning, nationalizing, and retreat crap is just fabrications your spouting to assure yourself. I can assure you that Bush with a second term will partially privatize Social Security, promote health savings accounts that will weaken employer health benefits, and try to enact tort reform that will shield corporations from accountability and greatly diminish an individuals right to sue.
October 23rd, 2004 at 7:16 pm
Miles - YOU name one. So, its your position that Kennedy is more liberal than Kerry? Bull. Even Kennedy voted against Kerry’s proposed Intelligence cuts. And angry? This from the party who has been shooting into Republican offices, raiding them, and destroying them? Yes. I’m angry. I also think that the man that even the Boston Globe-Herald said would say anything is doing just that. I see through him - and so do you.
October 23rd, 2004 at 7:55 pm
Paul Sarbanes, Hillary Clinton, are more “liberal” and thats according to Progressive Punch. But your really just asking a very stupid question, the label “liberal” is subjective and its use is opinion and not fact. I don’t think blogs are the best place for objective news, so the anecdotes about violence against Republicans are just that, anecdotes. Just because there were priests who abused children does not mean all priests are child abusers, and just because police killed a girl in Boston does not mean all police are overly violent in maintaining order.
Much of what your basing your accusations on are emotionally charged views with no facts reinforcing them.
October 23rd, 2004 at 9:12 pm
Progressive Punch? Progressive Punch?
So long as its an objective source. Do you think John Kerry is liberal? Do you believe his campaign statements aimed at hunters and conservatives etc.? You know, the gun he hunted with the other day…he cosponsored a bill to outlaw it. I think he is the same.I think he is the same liberal senator from Mass as always. And either you are stupid (which I don’t believe) or you believe it also. You are just accepting his lies (and the viloence against Republicans) because you agree with the agenda and don’t care if he lies or if people shoot at us.
October 24th, 2004 at 8:19 pm
David - thanks - now go bugger a rabbit OK?
October 25th, 2004 at 7:57 pm
Something to think about…
“We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can’t bomb it into peace.”
October 25th, 2004 at 8:03 pm
Hey Barb,
Do me a favor and stop calling us as liberals like it’s an insult. Labeling people like that is so weak. I should hope you can think of a better way to describe why we’re so horrible… or are you incapable of thinking outside your little black and white world?
October 25th, 2004 at 11:06 pm
Kerry2004 - way to go! So, you are a liberal. Good.
Is John Kerry a “liberal”? What issues would you say define him as such?
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October 26th, 2004 at 10:18 am
Bush ‘preys’ for his victims - the foolish Christians, who get swayed by his ‘religious’ talk. His religion is a facade and a cloak of deception - for greed and killing innocent people.
Christians should pray for a spirit of discernment - and support or back the person who supports his faith by deeds. Bush only talks, but the world has not seen any good actions from him so far.
It is amazing how the Christians support a person like Bush, who is the Anti-Christ - a deceptive evil in disguise, who talks religion and the Catholics/ Christians get swayed by him.
The way you’ll keep supporting Bush - it appears that the Church will ultimately be responsible for the destruction that is occurring in Iraq, and it may appear that prophecy will be fulfilled, by the evil (Bush) who is in your midst!! Off course, you can avoid this happening - you have the power in your hands - to support/encourage good or evil.
Wake up, or forever be doomed.
A Catholic for Kerry
Aurelia, Toronto, Canada
October 26th, 2004 at 7:04 pm
Aurelia - OK, your parents forgive you. Put down the crack pipe and come home. You wacko.
October 26th, 2004 at 8:59 pm
They know, as do we conservatives that John Kerry is the most liberal senator and this campaign stuff is meaningless. I challenge any reader here to name a more liberal senator.
Seeing as that you provide nothing against which we might weigh Kerry’s degree of liberalness, any positivist worth his salt would see that the above is literally meaningless.
I mean, we could go the National Journal rankings (National Journal, right?), but then you’d just make a post hoc adjustment to the metric.
October 26th, 2004 at 9:02 pm
It is amazing how the Christians support a person like Bush, who is the Anti-Christ - a deceptive evil in disguise, who talks religion and the Catholics/ Christians get swayed by him.
It’s very simple. Bush wants to get all the Jews into Israel so that 2/3 can be a blood offering to our vengeful Lord. Their blood has a wonder-working power to bring on the Apocalypse.
I was raised fundamentalist; I know.
October 26th, 2004 at 11:19 pm
jpe - sorry - but outside the crack haze that is not so simple to see.
And, as you are new here - Months ago Kerry was rated as the most liberal Senator by an independednt group - but since you are disputing it - YOU define it. And, tell us who is more liberal.
October 27th, 2004 at 7:52 am
[i]Months ago Kerry was rated as the most liberal Senator by an independednt group[/i]
You’re referring to the National Journal rankings. He [i]was[/i] rated most liberal for 2003, but over the course of his career he’s pretty much smack in the middle of the pack of democrats (see [url=http://www.crookedtimber.org/archives/002308.html]here[/url])
Presumably that’s due to the Third-Way economic conservatism. As for more liberal senators, the first two that come to mind are Schumer and Kennedy, neither of whom have met a spending bill they didn’t like.