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John Kerry: Hypocrite and Asshole
By Matt Margolis | May 23, 2004
John Kerry has shown (again) what a real hypocrite and asshole he can be. When President Bush took a spill on his bike while riding on his ranch.
President Bush suffered cuts and bruises early Saturday afternoon when he fell while mountain biking on his ranch, White House spokesman Trent Duffy said.
Bush was on the 16th mile of a 17-mile ride when he fell, Duffy said. He was riding with a military aide, members of the Secret Service and his personal physician, Dr. Richard Tubb.
“He had minor abrasions and scratches on his chin, upper lip, nose, right hand and both knees,” Duffy said. “Dr. Tubb, who was with him, cleaned his scratches, said he was fine. The Secret Service offered to drive him back to the house. He declined and finished his ride.”
Bush was wearing his bike helmet and a mouth guard when the mishap occurred. Duffy said he didn’t know exactly how the accident happened.
“It’s been raining a lot and the topsoil is loose,” the spokesman said. “You know this president. He likes to go all out. Suffice it to say he wasn’t whistling show tunes.”
This article gives on quote by Kerry which was appropriate:
Earlier this month, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry took a spill from his bicycle while riding with Secret Service agents through Concord, Mass., about 18 miles north of Boston. Kerry fell when his bike hit a patch of sand. He was not injured.
Told about Bush’s mishap, Kerry said, “I hope he’s OK. I didn’t know the president rode a bike.”
However…
A current byte on Drudge says the following: “President fell off bike Saturday.. Kerry told reporters in front of cameras, ‘Did the training wheels fall off?’… Reporters are debating whether to treat it is as on or off the record… Developing… ”
Having fallen himself earlier this month, Kerry was really being quite a jerk with that comment. Someone with a little class would have made a joke about how they both had fallen off their bikes, instead of making a politically motivated jab at the President.
UPDATE: Jettison at Blogs for Bush has some thoughts on the whole thing.
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May 23rd, 2004 at 12:35 pm
Mountain Biking Towards Reelection
While biking on smooth asphalt can be a problem for some people, biking on rough terrain can prove to be a more difficult challenge. President Bush, no stranger to challenge, took a slight fall while mountain biking at his Crawford Ranch.
President…
May 24th, 2004 at 1:28 pm
Training wheels? That’s pretty damn funny! It’s about time someone turns the tables on the President who tells slanderous lies about all of his opponents.
May 24th, 2004 at 1:31 pm
PRESIDENT Bush has class, something Kerry and his handlers will never know…………
Bush and crew do not have to resort to making fun of Kerry about little things like this. He gives them what they need almost every time he opens his mouth and utters more “nuance”.
May 24th, 2004 at 1:49 pm
Jay,
Sigh……..why don’t you come up with something new….. You are starting to sound like Tubby Moore.
BTW– Name a lie that Bush has told about an opponent….. Name one and post the link and then support it with some facts……. I BET YOU CAN’T DO IT!!!!
May 24th, 2004 at 2:39 pm
Still looking Jay?
I would of thought that you would of had something ready to go by now……
May 24th, 2004 at 8:08 pm
It hadn’t rained in Crawford in 7 or 8 days, so why are they blaming it on the rain? Was it raining when he fell off the Segway too? Was it raining when he choked on a pretzel? Bush falls off his mountain bike, lies and says the rain caused it, and it’s supposed to be KERRY’S fault?
May 24th, 2004 at 9:30 pm
huh?
May 24th, 2004 at 10:30 pm
“It’s been raining a lot and the topsoil is loose,” the spokesman said. “You know this president. He likes to go all out. Suffice it to say he wasn’t whistling show tunes.”
The fact is, though, that it hadn’t rained in Crawford for 7 or 8 days. But the image Bush wants to cultivate is that of a strong, confident leader, who wouldn’t sit in a classroom reading a book about a goat while America was under attack and who wouldn’t fall off of his bicycle unless there was some problem with the terrain or something. So they falsely claimed that the topsoil was loose because of the rain. It’s not that it mattered to anyone normal whether he fell because of some external factor, it’s that his (false) image is so important to him and his handlers that nothing he does can ever be his fault. So they make up a lie about the rain.
Did the rain cause him to fall off a Segway? Did the rain cause him to choke on a pretzel? Did the rain cause him to sit doing nothing after Andrew Card told him America was under attack?
May 24th, 2004 at 10:38 pm
okay, i’m not sure what the reasoning behind what the spokesman said, but when kerry fell on the slopes, it was Kerry who bitched at hte secret service and said “i never fall.”
no one is trying to make excuses for bush.. i don’t care why he fell, it doesn’t matter, there are bigger issues at hand then why someone fell of a bike. if that’s the only problem you got with bush, that’s your problem. if all your other beefs have so little weight you have to resort to talking about how he fell off or analyzing the weather conditions… you’re so pathetic.
May 25th, 2004 at 10:30 am
It’s not about his falling off the bike, or why he fell off the bike. It’s about the discrepancy between why he fell off the bike and what he says about why he fell off the bike. He said (through a spokesman) that he fell off the bike because the soil was loose due to rainfall. That isn’t true. This is a lie, and about a relatively trivial matter. The reason he told this lie is that he is still trying to cling to an image of himself as “steely-eyed rocket man.”
This is in line with other lies that he has told. He lied about why he didn’t come back to Washington immediately after the September 11 attacks. He lied about what he did immediately following the September 11 attacks. These, in addition to the lie about why he fell off the bicycle, suggest that he’s trying to paint a particular picture of himself that doesn’t accord with reality.
The image that he seeks to portray is that of a steely-eyed rocket man who falls off bicycles only because the terrain is unusually difficult. The reality is that of a man who falls off bicycles for the same reasons other people fall off bicycles, but is too vain to admit it and so makes up a lie.
May 25th, 2004 at 11:49 am
You’re trying to establish a pattern over the most trivial of things… for one thing, you don’t know the circumstances behind the spokeman’s explanation, so don’t portray it as Bush told him to say one thing or another.
Second, who cares? I don’t care how/why Kerry fell off his bike, i care about the B.S. KERRY HIMSELF was pushing to try and save face.
He lied about why he didn’t come back to washington? what are you talking about? i haven’t a clue as to what you are referring to. is there some conspiracy theory on DU i don’t know about?
May 25th, 2004 at 1:36 pm
Ever hear of thunderstorms, the mid west has been pumeled with them for the past two weeks…. Isn’t there a chance that it could of rained? Maybe all of the global warming that has been happening in the world (wink) (wink) caused a green house effect that emiitted enough humidity to cause rain thus cooling the area and loosening the soil as the soil retracted from the cool temps…. this is starting to get lame… stopping now………..sorry just bored with libs
May 25th, 2004 at 4:58 pm
The period leading up to May 22, when Bush fell of his bike, is in the past, so the rainfall or lack of rainfall in Crawford is known; we don’t have to speculate about whether there is a “chance” it could have rained. On May 13, it rained 2.39 inches; on May 14, it rained 0.03 inches, and from that time until May 22, it didn’t rain at all. So when Bush claimed that “It’s been raining a lot and the topsoil is loose,” instead of saying “It hasn’t rained in over a week,” that’s just a lie, grounded in his desire to portray himself as a steely-eyed rocket man.
Similarly, the false statement that the reason he zigzagged all over the country on September 11 was that there was a credible threat against Air Force One was calculated to make him appear braver than he actually is.
Similarly, the false statement (released by the White House) that he left the Emma E. Booker School classroom within seconds after learning that Flight 175 had hit the WTC, was calculated to give a false impression of him as a decisive, confident leader, rather than the sort of person who sits reading a book about a goat when there are other more important issues to focus on.
The false story about the rain is right in line with all the other false stories; it is calculated to portray him as tougher and more manly than he actually is.
May 25th, 2004 at 8:58 pm
BUSH IS A TRAINWRECK………GOD HELP US
May 25th, 2004 at 9:19 pm
I WAS GONNA COMMENT…..BUT…..IT WOULD BE LIKE TRYING TO TEACH SLUGS TO WALK ERRECT….WHATS THE POINT..LOL
May 26th, 2004 at 2:00 am
what’s the weather like up your own @ss?
May 26th, 2004 at 2:11 am
uh, to clarify, the “weather up your own @ss” question would be FOR ANYONE WHO BACKS BUSH! WHAT THE ……..IS IN YOUR MINDS? I MEAN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING!?! you know what? don’t tell me. my mind can only take so much twisted, delusional, spin-trash thrown into it.
May 26th, 2004 at 7:39 am
…and that was “Deep Thoughts” by Caroline..
May 26th, 2004 at 6:48 pm
Actually, I stole the “weather” question. from “The Daily Show” with Jon Stewart.
You must be too busy watching Bill O’Reilly on Faux News to let facts or reason cloud your mind.
May 26th, 2004 at 7:11 pm
oh, you’re one of those idiots…
May 26th, 2004 at 9:55 pm
I think it is super that your mom bought you a computer, Matt, so you can monitor your weblog from your parents’ basement.
But didn’t she teach you that using lying, reprehensible smear tactics against our future President John Kerry is more than rude?
But it is exercising your right of free speech, which is next to be done away with your current President whittling away civil rights with his “Patriot Act.”
Bush is a war criminal and there’s 50 reasons for impeaching him right now.
But no worries for the sane among us; there’s light at the end of the tunnel. I imagine W’s approval ratings will be in the 30-percentile range by next week.
Incidentally, my right to free speech was partly paid for by my veteran father’s service in WWII, a recipient of both Purple Heart and Bronze Star. Something Kerry can relate to; not your AWOL weekend warrior “President”.
May 27th, 2004 at 11:03 am
Whoa Caroline you are one angry sow…… I bet you are one of those fat butch looking women marching around with coat hangers….
I am sure you will be right about your predictions, but sweetie it is May… there is plenty of time….My prediction is that Kerry will waffle on a subject about 33 more times berfore the election, which is slightly less than the amount of times he has had botox injections…Calm down a bit…… I bet your father would be more proud of you if you argued your point more cohesively than your last rant… It would also not draw name calling from guys like me…. And before you respond to me wait till after your mensies are over or at least until the seagulls flying over your apartment or dorm room leave…
May 27th, 2004 at 11:57 am
FRED = HYPOCRITE AND ASSHOLE
May 27th, 2004 at 12:20 pm
PS- thank you Fred, for the chuckle. Looks like your main concerns are sexual orientation, bike rides, botox, and the weather. (up your own @ss, that is).
I looked at your previous messy little rant #12, and per your grammatical and factual errors realized 12 is probably actually your age.
May 27th, 2004 at 12:44 pm
I will certainly agree with Matt that there are bigger issues than Bush or Kerry falling off of bicycles. How about 800 U.S troops dead in Iraq, a huge budget deficit, entitlement programs and 2 dollar plus gallons of gas for staters?
May 27th, 2004 at 1:57 pm
Caroline ….sweetness……..item 12 was an attempt at sarcasm… I think even you could recognize that… You know enough of this bickering…lets date..:)
I am a littte older than 12 however I do feel 12….
As for my main points.botox and the like…… Just pointing out how vain people can be… Like botox and the training wheels comment…
Keep up the good fight sugar…….I will always look out for you
FF
May 27th, 2004 at 3:03 pm
Lowell said:
“This is a lie, and about a relatively trivial matter. The reason he told this lie is that he is still trying to cling to an image of himself as “steely-eyed rocket man.”
This is in line with other lies that he has told. ”
You mean lack of integrity in one’s personal life can shine through into their public life? Of course I’m referencing Clinton here.
I’m just sick of all this crap of undeterred political supporters. If they like a guy, they’ll defend him to the end - even in something so news-unworthy as falling off a bike or a snowboard etc. It is really ridiculous that when a candidate one support falls off a bike, that person is very defensive about it. On the other hand, if you’re against this politician and have already tried to make him out to be the biggest moron the country has seen (but has somehow become president), the man falling off his bike is only an opportunity to really expose him for the imbecile he is.
Now turn the tables - in this case say that John Kerry fell off his snowboard. This opportunity is taken to ridicule him over his comments “I never fall” and his cursing out his security guards after the fall. While I think his phrase “I never fall” is more of a nervous reaction to his spill, his cursing out of security guards seems to be more revealing of his temperment. Though the incident occured in his personal life, no doubt it will reflect through his public life (everyone exists as ontologically the same person in each case).
“This is a lie, and about a relatively trivial matter. The reason he told this lie is that he is still trying to cling to an image of himself as “steely-eyed rocket man.””
It is ridiculous to hear a person speak of an image another person has of themself.
“This is in line with other lies that he has told. ”
If the reason President Bush gave for falling was a lie (I’m doubtful it was Bush anyhow, but what I’d think matters to Bush’s opposition is that the statement came from the Bush administration; fair enough), then I would agree that it is something that would shine through into his public life. However I think it’s useless discussing this as a main talking point, and I don’t think it will be used as one except to counter rhetoric.
Now I sit back and see we’re discussing over how a President fell off his bike or how a presidential candidate fell of his bike/snowboard and I’m supposed to rationalize either in terms of if I like/dislike the person. I’m reminded of elementary school (or really anytime in real life), when if a person you didn’t like would fall off of their bike, you and your group of anti-that-person friends would laugh and call names. But if that person on the bike was himself/herself your friend then it would be the reverse reaction.
How truly that example really explains our human nature! And these are only incidents of political persons falling off of bikes! Keep this thought in mind as each candidate is rationalized by critics and supporters in terms of how much they like their guy! I shudder to think this, but I realize it is 95% of today’s politics boiled down. The other 5% is the endangered species.
Needless to say I’m getting very tired of politics, but somehow cling to these types of boards anyhow.
By the way, I will be voting for Bush. Though this doesn’t mean I agree with him on everything (for instance, his stance on Mexico and illegal immigrants, and his giving in to Vicente Fox without inquiring [as far as we know] about the Armando Garcia incident).
May 28th, 2004 at 10:04 am
“Now I sit back and see we’re discussing over how a President fell off his bike or how a presidential candidate fell of his bike/snowboard and I’m supposed to rationalize either in terms of if I like/dislike the person.”
It doesn’t really have anything with falling off the bike; it has to do with blaming it on the rain when it hadn’t actually rained in over a week. The Bush shill characterized it as the result of a cyclist who “likes to go all out. Suffice it to say he wasn’t whistling show tunes” encountering unstable terrain, whose instability was caused by a (nonexistent) rainstorm. We are supposed to get the image of a steely-eyed rocket man thrown off his bike by forces outside of his control. Now, even this lie wouldn’t be that big a deal if it didn’t fall into a consistent pattern of behavior. The other day, he blamed the abuses at Abu Graib on a few low-level soldiers; he also blamed the failure to have enough troops in Iraq on military people who supposedly said that not even 115,000 soldiers would be needed.
Right after September 11, he didn’t go straight back to Washington, but instead zigzagged around the country. He said that this was a result of a credible threat against Air Force One; that was a lie.
On September 11, Andrew Card told him that Flight 175 had hit the WTC and America was under attack. At that point, he picked up the book “The Pet Goat” and continued to sit listening to children read and chatting with the chldren for another 20 minutes before leaving the classroom. This while Flight 77 was heading toward the Pentagon, and he was the only person who could authorize a shootdown of a civilian airliner. Later, the story put out by the White House was that he left the room “within a matter of seconds” after receiving the news from Andrew Card. Again, a lie calculated to make him look braver and more decisive than he actually is. Instead of admitting that he sat frozen with fear instead of taking any steps to stop Flight 77, he promulgated a (false) story that he did what he actually should have done, which was to leave the classroom immediately. Actually, he should never have gone into the classroom in the first place after learning that Flight 11 had hit.
The bicycle story is just another attempt to create an image that doesn’t conform to the facts.
May 28th, 2004 at 12:33 pm
Lowell, you are getting even more ridiculous.
For one thing, Bush never made any claims about the weather. So get it over.
Second, If you want to blame Bush for AF1 zig zagging across the states instead of heading directly back for washington you are fishing in a small hole with no water. For one thing, there was no lie about a threat to AF1, there was an uncertainty, and Bush wanted to go directly back to DC, but the SS wouldn’t let it. In “Bush at War” Bob Woodward goes into the whole story. if my memory serves, They didn’t want Bush to go back to DC at all, but Bush insisted. so stop being a partisan moron labelling everything as a lie and try and have a real discussion…
May 28th, 2004 at 8:23 pm
Yeah, Bush made claims about the weather. Read the article. A White House spokesman said that it had been raining a lot and the ground was unstable. That was a lie.
And zigzagging around the country on 9/11 doesn’t indicate that Bush did it because of cowardice, what indicates that it might have been the result of cowardice was the fact that he lied about it. You are mistaken when you say that there was no lie about a threat to Air Force One. There was a specific lie about a “credible threat.” The lie wasn’t about uncertainty; the lie was about a false claim that they had received intelligence about a threat.
I notice you avoided addressing Bush’s behavior when he learned about Flight 175 hitting the WTC. How he wasted valuable minutes (minutes that could have been spent trying to stop Flight 77) to sit in his chair, frozen with fear, listening to a bunch of second graders reading a book about a goat. And later, of course, Bush lied about what he had done; the White House said that he left the room within seconds. This is a lie; there’s film of Bush sitting while the children read the entire book, and then chatting with the children, and the film ends before he leaves the room. He sits, and sits, and sits, while Flight 77 gets closer and closer to the Pentagon. He does not, as he later falsely claimed, leave the room within seconds.
May 28th, 2004 at 11:19 pm
LOWELL! Brilliant, reasonable, and on-target. You know, some validity and truth could cause this blog to melt like the Wicked Witch of the West. Another facet of the lame Bush argument about not leaving the classroom right away, was that he didn’t want to “alarm” the children (as if there weren’t several ways an adult could calmly hand over the book-reading task to someone else, who might be able to read it right-side up, incidentally), and excuse himself immediately.
There’s just no way this country, or the world, can stand another 4 years of steely-eyed rocket man Bush. He’s The Wrong Stuff. (Or was that from Apollo 13?)
PS - Fred. Honey. I don’t think you want to date a fat, butch-looking sow, do you? If that is your type, I assure you I am none of those things. I am tall, blonde, blue-eyed, size 8, heterosexual, have great legs and D-cup boobs. Not one thing I’ve listed is a lie.
I have a mental picture of you, though, and it’s not pretty.
May 28th, 2004 at 11:29 pm
oaky Lowell in the same sentence you say Bush said it rained and the spokesman.. pick one.
I’m still trying to figure out what there was to lie about regarding the trip back to DC. your rambling sounds exactly like a typical rehashing of conspiracy theories, no an argument over facts.
I also love how liberals try and demonize his reaction on 9-11. I mean seriously, everytime you guys try and pick at that it makes you look sad. just sad. it’s like when you guys when nutzo over the turkey in baghdad when bush visited the troops. you people are pathetic… that’s why you lose elections.
May 29th, 2004 at 2:39 am
Caroline, the upside-down book picture was photoshopped. Don’t overreach; there are enough examples of Bush incompetence that we don’t need to hook onto phony ones.
I think stopping Flight 77 would be reason enough to risk alarming the children. In addition, when Card told Bush that Flight 175 had hit, they had just FINISHED the exercise, and had NOT YET STARTED reading the goat story. It would have been a perfect time for Bush to say, well, something’s come up; I have to go. As in fact, he basically did, after another 20 minutes or so. He just had to try to pull himself together.
But never mind all that, bad as it is; what troubles me more than anything is that he lied and said he DID leave the room immediately. The story you refer to, that he didn’t want to alarm the kids, is sort of a strange parallel story, I guess, promoted by some of his apologists who aren’t up to speed on the party line, or something.
Matt, you’re just making excuses for Bush, joining him in blaming underlings. The fish rots from the head down; if Bush’s spokesman lies, it’s Bush’s responsibility.
It doesn’t matter if you can’t figure out what there was to lie about on the trip back to Washington; the undisputed fact is that he DID lie. You not being able to understand how something could have happened doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Things happen all the time without people being able to understand them. Sometimes the things are just hard to understand; sometimes the people who don’t understand them are stupid, there are all kinds of reasons why human understanding fails for one reason or another.
I notice that you once again avoided addressing Bush’s lies about his conduct in the classroom.
May 29th, 2004 at 12:47 pm
he lied? I’m still waiting for proof of a lie here.. you haven’t given me proof of anything.. all you have done is tried to set a standard of what an appropriate reaction is and used that to critcize Bush. You’re pathetic. this whole conversation is pathetic because you actually waste your own energy dwelling on it. meanwhile you give Kerry a slide for every single lie he’s told.
May 29th, 2004 at 9:49 pm
It’s telling that the presidential race sums up to who rides a bike better or who has a better excuse for falling off. Let’s face it, politicians are assholes and their PR guys are bigger ones. The only thing worse than a politician is a democratic politician.
If you want to criticize my post, remember: the button said “rant.”
May 30th, 2004 at 10:42 am
You say you’re waiting for proof of a lie; I don’t know what you mean by “proof;” all I can do is point out the actual truth, what Bush said about what happened, and how they differ:
After Andrew Card told him that America was under attack, Bush sat in a classroom for about 20 minutes reading a book about a goat while Flight 77 was headed toward the Pentagon.
The White House later said that Bush left the classroom within seconds after being informed that America was under attack.
The story is contradicted by the actual facts. And Bush knew what he actually did, so he knew the story contradicted the facts.
A lie is generally described as a knowing statement that fails to conform to the truth. I don’t know why you don’t see that as proof of a lie. Maybe you’re just stupid?
May 31st, 2004 at 11:58 pm
Well, This blog has certainly taken a long journey from the point that John Kerry did not need to be such a jerk about Bush falling while he himself had fallen recently. Ever live in Texas? I have. A week after heavy rain and the ground can still be messed up.
I live in Virginia now - neighborhood thick with Secret Service. They love GW and the whole Bush family - this includes the Dems among them. They say the Bush’s are decent and treat them with respect. They think the opposite of Kerry and they thought the same of Gore. Arrogant and abraisive both.
As to 9/11 - they thought the first crash was an accident - remember? The second crash, and a plane into the Pentagon (which you can see from the White House and Capital Hill), and you’re damn right the Secret Service hustled him out of there. And, in the (what was it 8-10) hours he was gone he was in Air Force freekin One you morons - got a clue how many radios and even teleconferencing links it has? The President of the United States can command the Armed Forces quite well from there. And, the attack plan was put into place and worked. Even Clinton people have said so.
I wonder if Kerry will turn on the Iraq veterans like he did on the Viet Nam vets. Can anyone tell me the date that Kerry decided that he did not in fact commit attrocities (like he said he did on Dick Cavett) and the date when he decided that the US military did not commit wide spread attrocities (like he testified to Congress). Please, just a year will suffice. And how about blaiming Bush for not sending body armor to Iraq when he in fact had voted aginst the funding (oh, yah - after he voted for it?). And, how about the fact that he flew back to DC to vote to continue the gun ban after it had been proven to have accomplished nothing - except to run all the magazine makers out of business which has led to a dire lack of functioning high capacity magazines for our troops in Iraq? And, can you explain to me how the guy can have 6 Chevy Suburbans and a private plane (which belong to the familiy but aren’t his) and he says I need to get rid of my Honda SUV? What a brilliant arrogant man. He is the epitomy of a limousine liberal.
June 1st, 2004 at 12:51 am
“As to 9/11 - they thought the first crash was an accident - remember? The second crash, and a plane into the Pentagon (which you can see from the White House and Capital Hill), and you’re damn right the Secret Service hustled him out of there.”
Only a fool would think that Flight 11 was an accident. At the time Flight 11 hit the WTC, NORAD knew that Flight 11 and Flight 175 had been hijacked, and probably knew that Flight 77 had been hijacked. Let’s see, 2 hijacked aircraft, airplane hits the WTC, the immediate conclusion you come to is that it’s an accident? I think not, not if you’re halfway competent.
And the Secret Service did NOT “hustle him out of there” after Flight 175 hit the WTC. After learning that America was under attack, Bush picked up the book “The Pet Goat” and sat for another 20 minutes listening to schoolchildren read the book and chatting with the children and the teacher. Then he finally managed to pull himself together enough to leave the classroom.
Bush later claimed that he had left the classroom immediately, but this was a lie. Just as the story that a specific threat against Air Force One had been intercepted was a lie. The issue isn’t that Bush zigzagged around the country getting back to Washington; the issue is that he lied about why he did it.
Please learn what actually happened, rather than repeating what you think “must have” happened.
June 1st, 2004 at 7:29 am
You are just nit-picking. What difference does it make? Bush hadn’t flown a fighter since the 70’s and was in no position to do anything about it. What did happen, was the emergency attack plan was put into place. That means getting all the top players out of DC and harms way. And, he could command just as well from Air Force One as from anywhere. After all, it’s not like he was in tactical command. The last president to do that was Maddison leading Marines in the defense of DC in 1812.
What about the other questions in the post?
1. Is Kerry an Ass for making the training wheels joke? Rain or not - mountain biking is harder than street biking isn’t it? Isn’t that kind of petty vile remark what Democrats loathe?
2. What about Tereeezzzaa? Is the fact that she finances Kerry’s lifestyle (with money earned by a Republican), donates lavishly to the campaign, owns multiple mansions and SUV’s, and lets herself be interviewed making vile remarks make her a legitimate target?
3. When exactly did Kerry stop saying he commited attrocities?
4. When exactly did he stop saying Americans commited widespread attrocities in Viet Nam?
5. Don’t you have a problem (be honest) with his “I voted for it before I voted against it” answer to people pointing out he had voted against the defense budget needed to fund Iraq after critisizing Bush for not sending body armor to Iraq?
6. What about his returning to DC just to vote for the gun ban? Are there any other ammendments in the Bill of Rights that you feel are NOT individual guaranteed rights? Speech, religion, due process. what? Do you deny that that law drove gun magazine makers out of business and that as a result the quality of magazines being delivered to Iraq are of sub-quality?
June 2nd, 2004 at 11:01 pm
Your silence is deafening.
1. Kerry is an ass
2. Terreeezzza is an ass also, though very rich. She finances Kerry, is active politically, and a valid topic for discussion.
3. I think he said that it was a poor choice of words. Bad excuse for a Naval Office, Lawyer, and Senator. Bad choices in words can get people killed in all three of those professions.
4. Has he actually retracted that? I’d like to see a date and some quotes.
5. Yes - this is a star example of his mumble-speak. Along with, “I don’t own any SUV’s, the family does.” Or multiple others. I think his best quote is “Who among us does not love NASCAR.”
6. The attack on the 2nd ammendment is a classic example of paternalistic behavior, though mis-guided. His claims to be a hunter are lame in comparrison to his voting record.
6a. And yes, the loss of civillian market for magazines has led to a documented quality problem in the war. The lefts attempt to diminish out constitutional rights HAS and continues to HAVE a direct effect on our troops in the field.
Since there are no replies, I guess all the points are made. You should have chosen Dean as your candidate - at least he was honest about his flaming liberalism and kooky ideas.
June 3rd, 2004 at 2:37 am
Lowell, Do you have the links that show the rainfall (or lack of rain fall) data for the period prior to Bush falling off his bike?
Thanks, Mark
June 3rd, 2004 at 11:11 am
I got it from Kos. It is in a May 23 post. The numbers are as follows:
May 22: 0″
May 21: 0″
May 20: 0″
May 19: 0″
May 18: 0″
May 17: 0″
May 16: 0″
May 15: 0″
May 14: 0.03″
May 13: 2.79″
May 12: 0″
May 11: 0.15″
May 10: 0″
May 9: 0″
Pretty big number on May 13, but almost no rain any other time, and May 13 was 9 or 10 days before Bush fell off his bike. Plenty of time for the ground to dry out.
The Kos piece has a link to http://www.wunderground.com for each date.
The story put out by the White House was that “It’s been raining a lot and the topsoil is loose.” That was a lie.
And as to comment 39, what difference did it make that the President of the United States sat in a classroom for 20 minutes while Flight 77 was racing to the Pentagon, is that what the poster is asking? I’d say it makes a lot of difference. If the Air Force had scrambled sooner, and the president had authorized the shootdown of civilian aircraft, Flight 77 might have been stopped with many lives saved.
He never should have gone into the classroom at all. It was a meaningless photo-op, but he went ahead with it knowing that the WTC had been hit and was on fire. NORAD knew that aircraft had been hijacked. Betty Ong had been on the phone with American Airlines Operations. Yet Bush claimed he thought it was an accident. What kind of idiot thinks that an airliner crash into a building under circumstances like that is an accident? If he had been on top of his job, he might have been able to stop Flight 175.
And you know that sitting in the classroom after being told that America was under attack wasn’t the right thing to do because he lied about it later. The White House said he left the room within seconds; if you watch the video, you know that’s a lie.
So let’s see if I understand the meaning of the questions in comment 39. Basically, the question is, is the fact that some lunatic can recite a bunch of criticisms of Kerry more important than the fact that the President of the United States sat in a classroom doing a photo-op instead of trying to protect the United States? And then lied about exactly what he had done?
June 3rd, 2004 at 10:40 pm
Harvard BBA GPA 3.96 - so GO TO HELL. Don’t think I resorted to calling you names (is that all you Democrats have? Hatred? and name calling, an recital of inane facts?)
So, your major two points are - that in your opinion the ground should have been dry and Bush was what? clumsy for falling? Are you that petty? What about the fact that Kerry makes his snide remark and the press lets him slide?
And two, that Bush should have immediatly ordered the Air Force to shoot down civilian airliners? Hit One, Air Force scrambled - they were half way there when Hit Two happened. Believe it or not, the government and the military were not just sitting around with loaded guns waiting for something like this to happen. Is your hatred of Bush based upon the fact that he did not authorize enough violence fast enough? And, do you think that his being in a car on the way to the airport would have made a difference. NO - you are wrong because you do not really understand how things work in the military.
And, though I list a bunch of critisisms - including the original topic of this thread, I notice that YOU do not answer a single item. So, if this was a test - I guess you’d be the idiot. But honestly - was Kerry an ass or not for saying that about bush (the training wheels thing) - do you have similar researched numbers for the amount of sand on the corner where he fell (which he blamed on the Secret Service? Honestly)Or do you realize how petty THAT would be. I’m telling you my Secret Service neighbors say he is a pompus denigrating ass.
June 3rd, 2004 at 11:05 pm
http://www.srcc.lsu.edu/temp_precip/2004/tx9419.png
Looks like your rain data was bogus, look at the spike right about the 20th. But, having lived in Texas, I know you have missed the point - the rapid intense rainfalls in Texas can eat out trenches in trails and undercut the ground. So, if you hadn’t used a particular trail in a while, there may be rough spots you don’t know about. The pointh though is mute. Most mountain bikers fall - the question was whether Kerry was jerk about it, and if AP was wrong to run a quote they knew to be a lie.
June 3rd, 2004 at 11:06 pm
My mistake on the link - I see it has not published May yet.
June 3rd, 2004 at 11:31 pm
OK - so you seem to all be referring back to numbers originally published on this site:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KPWG/2004/5/11/WeeklyHistory.html?FULLALMANAC=KACT
Which does not individually list Crawford but does list McGregor, TX which is a little over 7 miles from Crawford. Again, I think the point is moot anyways, but these numbers are NOT authoritative for Crawford and would miss any localized thunderstorms,
June 4th, 2004 at 6:33 pm
You were only too happy to use numbers from Waco when you thought they supported your position, and Waco is farther from Crawford than McGregor is. Now you complain that the numbers from McGregor may not be applicable to Crawford.
I think we now know everything about your integrity that we need to know.
June 4th, 2004 at 6:59 pm
Sorry dippy. Bur I was just trying to lock down the source from the numbers used on all the Bush hating web sites. Got it wrond and immediately appologized. But, rain or not, loose ground or not - is Kerry an ass for saying that about Bush and is AP wrong to have published a known lie? This is actually an independent set of questions fro what you think of Bush. You know, both could be good guys and both could be assholes.
June 4th, 2004 at 7:02 pm
And you know, now that I read your post - your vile hatred, and your readiness to question my integrity - ( I retracted it in less than 1 minute asshole) I think I’ll just join your hate club and say kiss my ass you small minded hate filled America hating cross-species piece of self-ejaculating scum.
June 4th, 2004 at 8:56 pm
Ha ha, you only retracted the information about the Waco weather because it was from the wrong MONTH. And you did this BEFORE complaining about the fact that McGregor is 7 miles from Crawford.
The issue is as follows:
You pointed to weather reports from Waco. From Crawford to the nearest point in Waco is about 10 miles or a little more. You were perfectly happy to use weather reports from that far away.
When you realized that they were from the wrong month, you pointed that out. You did not say one word about the fact that they were not from the exact same city.
You then complained that the weather reports that I had reported on were from McGregor, and that McGregor was not in exactly the same place as Crawford. McGregor is, however, close to Crawford than Waco is. So there is little doubt that the McGregor weather reports were at least as reliable as the Waco weather reports, which you had no problem using.
The key point is that you wanted to use possibly information from a slightly distant location when it suited your purposes to do so, but objected to my use of information from an also slightly distant (but closer!) location when you didn’t like the information.
Like I said, I think we know everything about your integrity that we need to know. We even know a little bit more now, due to your present attempt to blur the issue of exactly what you did and didn’t retract.
June 4th, 2004 at 10:43 pm
Riiiggghhhttt. And the next comment I made was a few minutes later as I tracked down the information - opened up streets and trips to look at the distance. Fact is, you can’t prove there wasn’t rain. And, its moot anyways as the issues here are whether Kerry is an ass and AP helped him lie. And diverting attention to something like did it rain is a diversion (which I have, i believe consitenly pointed out). So now we see it. I have continually asked the Kerry question. You libs answer everything but that. So my conclusion is: Kerry is an asshole, AP is a bunch of assholes, and you Lowell, yes you are an asshole. The evidence is indesputable. You continue to nit pick over minor non-related issues and honest mistakes. In fact, in your case the evidence is strongest of all. Now, insult me again - I’ll considwer the source.
June 5th, 2004 at 12:59 am
A good rain only makes the traction better for a mountain bike. I’ve been a hardcore mountain biker and ridden for 20 years all over this country and this is a guaranteed fact. Its obvious the president’s spokesman was looking for something to blame.
Another interesting thing the president’s spokesman mentioned was that the “TOPSOIL” was loose from the rain (OK, looks like there wasn’t any rain). Farmers talk about Topsoil. Mountain bikers talk about the “trail”.
In the same news article, the spokesman mentions the president was wearing a helmet and a mouth guard. OK, you don’t have to be an idiot to know that no one uses a mouth guard on a bike. You can’t drink water while riding and you certainly can’t talk to the others you are riding with. Football players wear mouth guards.
Then the spokesman also points out that the president “likes to go all out….he wasn’t whistling show tunes”. Did you ever stop to imagine how someone could whistle while wearing a mouth guard?
Also in the article it mentions the president crashed 16 miles into a 17 mile ride. He was offered a ride home by the secret service. OK, why would the secret service offer him a ride home if he was only a mile from the house? Was it because he was on a dirt road with a limo or truck following him? probably.
OK, you guessed it. The President doesn’t know jack about cycling and neither does his spokesman. Those are facts. I would however like to know what kind of bike the president rides. I’d certainly like to see him ride a 17 mile ride wearing a mouth guard. You mean to tell me he was riding for 90 minutes wearing a mouth guard the whole time? Something in his story doesn’t make sense.
June 5th, 2004 at 1:29 am
Mark, Mark, Mark. Have you seen how the President travels since 9/11? Yes - they follow him - but they have access to helicopters, humvees, hell tanks if they want them. And so the SPOKESMAN doesn’t know anything about mountain biking. There have been numerous reports that Bush does this extensively. Can’t remember the brand, but one of the news shoes says his Crawford bike cost like $1800 and at Camp David he uses one of the pool bikes there for visitors that are in the $250 range - low end. He well could have had a full motorcycle style helmet on. I’ve certainly seen numerous mountain bikers with them. Hell, they wear clothes with plastic armor to do the steep stuff. By the way, kerry rides a very high end custom street bike. can’t remember the brand either - but they say they go for $6K t0 $8K. Must be nice.
But, you’re experienced eh? EVER fallen? Have any of you friends? You saw how scratched up he was - so the secret service offers to lift him back home - is that really an issue? He declined and finished his ride.
And, since he reportedly made no comment when Kerry fell - and to bring us back on topic like I will every post from now on…Is Kerry an ass for making the training wheels joke and is AP a bunch of asses for running a quote they knew to be a lie? I say yes on both - though I reserve judgment on you since your post seems reasonable and you haven’t immediatly started calling people names.
June 5th, 2004 at 2:07 am
Do you have link to any news site or picture that talks about the $1800 bike Bush rides in Crawford? I’d like to see that link!!! Let us know if you can find it and bonus points if there is a photo of him on the bike!
Bush couldn’t have been wearing a full face (ie motorcycle style) helmet. The photos of Bush after his crash shows cuts on his nose and chin. Impossible in a full face helmet.
June 5th, 2004 at 2:25 am
I wish I could remember them - heard it on the radio while driving.
June 5th, 2004 at 4:06 pm
Kahn, you looked in Streets and Trips to check the distance from McGregor to Crawford so you could pretend that information for McGregor couldn’t be used to draw conclusions about what happened in Crawford. Right, like the weather is vastly different at points separated by 7 miles. You didn’t use Streets and Trips to check your own data from Waco, and you said nothing about Waco being too far away to provide useful data. You wanted to use Waco information when you thought it would help you, but when faced with information from McGregor (closer) that you didn’t like, you said McGregor is too far away. That tells us everything about your integrity that we need to know.
The fact that I ignore your stupid questions about Kerry and about Theresa Heinz Kerry is completely irrelevant. The issues, such as they are, raised by your stupid questions aren’t what I was addressing. What I was addressing is that fact that Bush’s lies about what cause him to fall off a bicycle tell you a lot about his character, namely, that he tries to portray himself as tougher and more capable than he actually is. His lies about falling off a bicycle are right in line with the lies he told about September 11, and we learn something about your integrity when we consider the various excuses you made for him above. I pointed out that he sat in a classroom during the September 11 attacks, while Flight 77 was heading toward the Pentagon, and that he later lied and said that he left the room within seconds. You go through all sorts of contortions pretending that it didn’t make any difference, and pretending that the only alternative to sitting in a classroom doing nothing was to be heading out to the airport to board Air Force One. The issue isn’t that he didn’t board Air Force One immediately. The issue is that after Andrew Card told him that America is under attack, he didn’t ask a single question and he didn’t give a single order. Instead, he sat in the classroom reading a book about a goat and chatting with a bunch of second graders for about 20 minutes, during which time Flight 77 was heading toward the Pentagon. During that time, Bush did NOTHING to get information, to find out what was going on or to give any orders to protect America. And we know what he did was the wrong thing to do, because he later lied and said that his actions were different from what they actually were.
Your making excuses and covering up for him, and then telling lies to attack other people, tells us all we need to know about your patriotism and your integrity.
June 5th, 2004 at 4:28 pm
Look at the time marks on my post asshole, we are talking about 6-7 minutes as I tried to verify you facts. And - AGAIN, what difference make? IS KERRY AN ASSHOLE FOR MAKING THE COMMENTS WHETHER IT RAINED OR NOT AND IS AP A BUNCH OF ASSHOLES FOR LYING ABOUT IT? The rain is irrelavent. As are you
June 7th, 2004 at 11:35 pm
The rain is not irrelevant. You may want to talk about the answers to your stupid questions, but I don’t care about them. What’s important to me is that Bush lied and said the rain caused his fall when it hadn’t rained, and what that tells us about his integrity, and what we can learn from his compulsion to present a false image of himself.
Your dishonesty about what you did and didn’t say, and the dishonesty shown by your willingness to use a set of figures that you believe supports your argument, when these figures suffer from the same “defect” that you point to in a set of figures that disproves your argument, tells us about your lack of integrity, and that is also more important to me than the answers to your stupid questions. Issues aren’t important or unimportant just because you say they are, and other people are free to consider the issues that are important to them.
If the rain was irrelevant, as you say now, why did you try to collect figures to show that it rained, and why did you deride figures from with 7 miles of Crawford as not “proving” that it rained in Crawford. If the rain was really irrelevant, you would have said it before this. Your constantly changing argument gives us still more information about your integrity.
June 7th, 2004 at 11:36 pm
The rain is not irrelevant. You may want to talk about the answers to your stupid questions, but I don’t care about them. What’s important to me is that Bush lied and said the rain caused his fall when it hadn’t rained, and what that tells us about his integrity, and what we can learn from his compulsion to present a false image of himself.
Your dishonesty about what you did and didn’t say, and the dishonesty shown by your willingness to use a set of figures that you believe supports your argument, when these figures suffer from the same “defect” that you point to in a set of figures that disproves your argument, tells us about your lack of integrity, and that is also more important to me than the answers to your stupid questions. Issues aren’t important or unimportant just because you say they are, and other people are free to consider the issues that are important to them.
If the rain was irrelevant, as you say now, why did you try to collect figures to show that it rained, and why did you deride figures from with 7 miles of Crawford as not “proving” that it rained in Crawford. If the rain was really irrelevant, you would have said it before this. Your constantly changing argument gives us still more information about your integrity.
June 8th, 2004 at 8:51 pm
Interesting. I was just trying to verify your stupid arguments. But, in a blog titled Kerry is an asshole and hypocrite - I would say that is the issue. In a blog about Bush, comments about Bush would be releavent. What I did was try to check the facts. In Texas in the spring, thunderstorms pop up every afternoon. These storms can be isolated - so 7 miles can be significant. I have tried to answer your “issues” even though they are not really the subject of this blog. But, NONE of the liberals in this blog have answered that question have they? Diversion and derision. Change the subject and attack Bush and other posters. Nearly every post by a liberal has followed that pattern. Tell you what - tell me if Kerry is an ass or not - and I’ll call the mayor of Crawford and ask him or her if it rained.
June 8th, 2004 at 8:52 pm
Interesting. I was just trying to verify your stupid arguments. But, in a blog titled Kerry is an asshole and hypocrite - I would say that is the issue. In a blog about Bush, comments about Bush would be releavent. What I did was try to check the facts. In Texas in the spring, thunderstorms pop up every afternoon. These storms can be isolated - so 7 miles can be significant. I have tried to answer your “issues” even though they are not really the subject of this blog. But, NONE of the liberals in this blog have answered that question have they? Diversion and derision. Change the subject and attack Bush and other posters. Nearly every post by a liberal has followed that pattern. Tell you what - tell me if Kerry is an ass or not - and I’ll call the mayor of Crawford and ask him or her if it rained.
June 8th, 2004 at 8:54 pm
Interesting. I was just trying to verify your stupid arguments. But, in a blog titled Kerry is an asshole and hypocrite - I would say that is the issue. In a blog about Bush, comments about Bush would be releavent. What I did was try to check the facts. In Texas in the spring, thunderstorms pop up every afternoon. These storms can be isolated - so 7 miles can be significant. Attacking my inegrity after my attempts to independently verify the facts for myself does not really seem fair.I have tried to answer your “issues” even though they are not really the subject of this blog. But, NONE of the liberals in this blog have answered that question have they? Diversion and derision. Change the subject and attack Bush and other posters. Nearly every post by a liberal has followed that pattern. Tell you what - tell me if Kerry is an ass or not - and I’ll call the mayor of Crawford and ask him or her if it rained. What I have learned from your posts - is that you are not interested in real discussion and are blinded by hate. Again, you are stereotypical of the liberal mind.
June 9th, 2004 at 9:10 pm
You say you tried to “check the facts” but here’s what you did:
You presented information about the weather 10 miles away. You then retracted it because it was from the wrong month.
You then criticised me for presenting weather information from 7 miles away, on the basis that the weather “could” have been different, that there could have been a magical thunderstorm in Crawford, even though it hadn’t rained at all in McGregor (7 miles away) for days and days.
So here’s how it is:
Weather from 10 miles away was good enough for you when it supported your position (or so you thought) but weather from 7 miles away wasn’t good enough for you when it didn’t support your position. You favored or disfavored information not on the basis of whether it was more or less likely to be accurate, but solely on the basis of whether you liked it. That is, you favored support of your position over truth. This is the hallmark of a dishonest person.
Now you are insisting that the whole issue of rain is irrelevant, after having spent considerable time arguing about whether it rained or didn’t rain. That is, after you were defeated on the basis of fact, you argue that your defeat is irrelevant. Another hallmark of dishonesty.
And I do think it’s significant that Bush lied about why he fell off his bicycle. And I do think that the fact that you’re a liar is more important than the answers to your stupid questions.
June 9th, 2004 at 9:38 pm
Sooooo. Is Kerry an asshole? And, I am not a liar. I was trying verify your facts in a good natured way. Something foreign to you no doubt. And, again (you must nor read well) If you answer the question about Kerry, I will call the mayor of Crawford and ask. OK? How is that lieing? Lets apply your post to the liberal template: Diversion (now the blog is about me instead of KerrY and Derision (you’ve proved to me that I am lieing?) And yey, you have not taken a stand on two points - does it matter that it was raining (I guess in your mind it does because Bush was making excuses) and is it really appropriate for someone who wants launch authority on 5000 nuclear weapons to be so petty and vile? That was the subject of this blog and is not my “stupid question”. Why not just answer it. NONE of the libs here have. Is Kerry an asshole and a hypocrite. Is Kerry an asshole and a hypocrite, Is he? Why are you being so obtuse? The ONLY reson can be that you think he IS.
Again though - you are right about one thing - I’ll not be drawn into checking the facts on diversion topics again. Nor will I assume that you’d accept any kind of explanation for it. You answer reason with hate, questions with hate, explanations with hate, everything with hate. It is all you have. Nazi.