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“The Margolis Incident”
By Matt Margolis | March 27, 2004
I’m sure by now many have been waiting to hear my account of what happened last night in Boston, while Bush was holding a fundraiser.
As you might know, I live near Boston, and when I found out Bush was going to be in the city, I was very excited. I had planned with a few friends of mine (most of them I met through Free Republic) to go down to show our support for President Bush.
I had a wooden stick with some Bush-Cheney ‘04 rally signs secured to it, and an “I Blog For Bush” sign with a “Massachusetts is Bush Country” sign on the reverse side.
My brother Aaron and I arrived at the intersection of Arlington and Boylston Streets around 5:15pm. The anti-Bush crowd was out in full force. They weren’t necessarily Kerry fans, but they included environmental activists, union workers, anti-war protesters, and plenty of other interesting types.
Aaron and I joined up with our group of friends who were already there. There was about nine of us. Now, keep in mind, we were not the only Bush supporters there – there was in fact a sizeable number of College Republicans there, who we had been with but got separated from, as Tyler from Pardon My English, who was part of my group notes:
The local group of FReepers got separated from the main group of Bush supporters. The main group included about 45-60 College Republicans (hailing from Emerson, Emmanuel, Tuft’s, Harvard (I was shocked, too), Boston University, and Boston College). The FReepers, all 9 of us, were on the other side of a wall of union members. The union members let their true colors shine when they started making gay jokes. Yes…the people who are protesting Bush, who opposes gay marriage, were making gay jokes. It didn’t end with gay jokes, they also tossed out the incest, Oedipal incest, and pedophilic jokes. They were classy people.
I started out close to the barricades completely surrounded by union workers and other anti-Bush protesters who were clearly not thrilled by my presence. I am not exaggerating when I tell you, at times, it did not feel safe. Between anti-Bush protesters who were attacking us verbally, to those who made many attempts to block or steal my sign, they did everything they could to make us feel unwelcome.
My response was consistent throughout the night. When someone tried to grab at my sign, or tell me to leave, I would tell them “I support your freedom of speech, please support mine.” The usual response involved a barrage of profanities and threats of physical violence. But we gave our chants and were not deterred.
Fellow FReeper, known as Little Bill, had this to say (edited for clarity):
At first things went well chants of “Four More Years” met by “No More Years”, the usual stuff. That is until a group of Iron Workers, Local 7, infiltrated the crowd and started pushing the pro Bush people away from the barrier blocking the street.
As we were standing further back, an Iron Workers Union member began taunting us. He had perched himself up on the rails of the entrance to the train stop. He stood several feet above us, looking down and screaming. Just about any insult in the book was thrown our way. I said to him, “Why don’t you stop yelling at us and come down here so we can have a conversation?”
Perhaps it wasn’t wise to engage him, but I knew he was not interested in having a discussion. He just wanted to be hateful, rude, and uncivil. I challenged him a few times to come down, but he rebuffed the offer.
My group stood together as we cheered for President Bush and took on the verbal abuse from the union workers who were surrounding us.
It was around this time that the “brawl” (which one commenter on Blogs For Bush has dubbed “The Margolis Incident”) occurred:
Here is Tyler’s telling of the brawl:
The scuffle started when union members, specifically the steelworkers, jumped down from the ledge they were standing on and attacked members of the pro-Bush crowd. Those members of the pro-Bush crowd that got the brunt of the attack were Aaron, Matt, and FReeper James; but everyone in the immediate area got a bit of it. The tentative list of injuries includes a bruised knee, sprained (or at least hurt) wrist, scrapes to the face, broken glasses, and a scraped hand (ok, that last one isn’t as impressive) – we’ll have to see what shows up in the morning.
It all happened very fast – but at the same time, seemed to happen in slow motion. I remember being with everyone cheering for Bush, and the union worker had been engaging us, and Aaron had also exchanged some words with him, then the guy just jumped down and charged at Aaron. He took a swing at him (missing his face by a hair – knocking off his glasses) and then everything just exploded. I went right for that guy and jumped at him, getting a few punches in before I got tackled (presumably by another union worker), and got thrown to the ground. I ended up getting my face slammed down and held to the ground. I believe someone got him off of me and I got back up as the altercation was broken up.
We were not broken up by the Boston Police Department. However, after being consulted with medics and being accosted by members of the Lawyers’ Guild, the police did show up and from that point on we had their protection.
In the end, James got his glasses smashed; Aaron took a punch or two, I got a scrape on my face and my knee – we all got roughed up a bit. In the end, it got broken up before anyone got really hurt. So to clear things up – I was not “beat up,” we are all okay and we stood our ground after things calmed down. We did not retreat, we responded with stronger chants in support of Bush. All in all, I had a great time.
I will postpone my account of the rest of the evening - Tyler covered it pretty well in his post, and I’m sure this weekend I’ll be able to get into the evening as a whole on my personal blog. I will tell you now that the arguments of the Left were nothing more than constant cursing, personal attacks, and accusations against us of being a rich trust-fund babies, amongst other things.
I would like to say that I think it is horribly sad that anyone would resort to violence because they disagree with someone. I came to the event as a Bush supporter wanting to express that support. It is horrifically un-American to threaten, intimidate and assault another person because of who or what they support. I will always stand up for what I believe in – if I risk getting hurt then so be it. I wholeheartedly believe that George W. Bush is the only choice for leading this country down the right path.
I did fear for my safety – but I can’t understand why I should have felt that way. It is clear that the mindset of the anti-Bush crowd is not one of tolerance, diversity, peace or non-violence.
I go into the city of Boston often, and I wear my Bush-Cheney ‘04 button proudly. I will continue to do so. The intolerance of others only reaffirms my beliefs. I learned a lot from this experience, and it’s helped me refocus my goals – and I understand now more than ever just how important it is for Bush to be reelected. After I post this, I will donate $104 to the Bush-Cheney ‘04 campaign. I urge anyone else who can donate to the campaign to do so as well.
MEDIA:
- The Boston Herald was the first newspaper to report on the brawl. Read the story here.
- Yes, the story was linked on Drudge.
- And yes, many of you found out about this on The Rush Limbaugh Show. Here is the audio of Rush acknowledging the brawl.
- On Rush’s website, read about it
- Here’s a thread on Free Republic about the brawl.
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Cross posted at Blogs for Bush.
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March 27th, 2004 at 4:30 am
Interesting story. I think something similiar might happen in my neck of the woods of Northern California, though not from Union workers.
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March 27th, 2004 at 12:11 pm
hey Matt
the dems lost my vote 4 years ago, when, inspired by a Berkeley bumper sticker,’Question Authoruty’. I began to question the so-called ‘authority’ of the liberal left, that thought of itself as compassionate. I have met more arrogant,self-righteous, and nasty lefties than I ever have met on the right. Growing up I was a leftie while my mom was a Republican - she had more compassion on a day to day basis than any liberal I met. They only knew how to talk the talk. I was duped for years by them. Unions leaders (not necesarilly members) are thugs and bullies. They used to come around to her little ice cream shop and bully her because she wasn’t ‘union’. She gave jobs to more teenagers so they could earn money for college, because she never got to go. One of her young employees grw up to work in the diplomatic services. It was a big day in our small town when he came to visit, and he came by to thank her for helping and encouraging him.
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Wow. I wonder if that was before or after I stopped and asked you guys about blogs for Bush. (Not sure if you remember me — the chick in running gear w/ VERY short hair, in a hurry, and asking you about your blog) I’m thinking before, because when I walked through, there were a couple of polices officers near the barricade where you guys were.
March 27th, 2004 at 2:21 pm
Quit your whinning, pussy. I didn’t hear any outrage from you or the Fox News gang when a group of GOP operatives swarmed the Miami Dade vote-counting center and beat people up (their idea of a fair fight was 20 against one then).
March 27th, 2004 at 2:25 pm
Jen,
Where you the one who warned me not to respond to the Union thugs?
March 27th, 2004 at 2:32 pm
Matt thought he was doing his own beer hall putsch like the repuke hero hitler
March 27th, 2004 at 2:35 pm
Matt — no. I was blissfully unaware of union thugs at that moment, I was in a hurry to get home and had forgotten about the probability of protesters along my walking route. I just stopped and asked you ‘which blog?’ because I didn’t realize that your sign actually listed the blog.
However, had I been aware of the union thug, I would have told you to ignore him and not allow yourself to be baited, because, really, no good can come of it.
March 27th, 2004 at 2:57 pm
Matt,
Quickly tried to find your e-address, but no luck. I’m strongly anti-Bush, (basically) a liberal, and about 75% a Democrat, and I am appalled by and furious what happened to you. I don’t have a considered position on collective guilt and apology, but, to the extent that it is in my power, let me apologize for the actions of the anti-Bush thugs who attacked you. For what it’s worth and for what good it will do, I posted a message in support of you on my blog and am urging others on my side of the fence to do so as well. There is simply no excuse for political violence of this kind. This should serve as a reminder to even the most ardent Democrats that there are a lot of bad people on our side (too (of course)). It sounds to me like you acquitted yourself well. I fervently hope that the anti-Bush goons who attacked you are regretting it today and nursing some injuries of their own. Oh, yeah–and I hope they realize the error of their ways, too. But mostly I hope they’re banged up.
March 27th, 2004 at 3:01 pm
Soon the calendar will say Oktober. 1917.
Sometimes violence is the only way to show people how devastatingly bad their ideas are. When society is so distraught about policy that individuals feel the need to take violent action, revolution is not only expected, but neccessary.Who says the…
March 27th, 2004 at 3:08 pm
Jen,
I believe I recall now. a few people inquired to me about the site … it was quite an evening i tell ya.
March 27th, 2004 at 3:09 pm
Winston,
I appreciate your condemnation of the violent actions my group became victim to. I like to believe that even people who srongly disagree with eachother can engage in civil debate.
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March 27th, 2004 at 4:11 pm
What a disgusting display. I’m horrified that anyone would turn to violence instead of rational debate, and I’m sorry that you had to end up in a brawl like that.
I only ask that you not assume that the actions of these bullies speak for everyone in the left. I consider myself left of center, but would never have anything to do with that kind of behavior. In fact I don’t know anyone in the left or right want anything to do with it.
We all need to calm down and see what the hell this constant partisanship is doing to us. I’m not here to convert anyone to the left, I’m not here to be converted to the right — I’m here to say “Hey, you know what? We can work together, even if we have different opinions.” I’m sick of politics devolving into a baseball team where we all root for the home team. Nobody’s a winner, we all lose.
I certainly hope your scuffle left no permanent damage, and that it will never happen again.
March 27th, 2004 at 4:13 pm
Talk about shameful behavior from those ironworkers. Tell ya what. If you’re going to be in D.C. sometime soon, feel free to drop me a line. We can go to Starbucks, have lattes, and discuss the exploitation of the proletariat by the bourgeois overclass … or the government’s continued insistence on forcing the hard-working successful to subsidize the lifestyle of the lazy indolent.
–|PW|–
March 27th, 2004 at 4:20 pm
Seth Morabito, I agree with you. George Washington warned us about what would happen if we formed political parties. Everyone takes a side. What happened to Matt is horrific. We have to get over our differences and work together.
March 27th, 2004 at 4:21 pm
What exactly were you “patriots” saying to these “commies”, “sheeple”, “mindless”, “thugs”, “fools”, “dykes”, “pillow biters”, “bench rats” that got them so angry that they’d want to attack you?
Was it anything like this?
“Fuckin Leftist traitors break the law and think they should get away with it?! FUCK YOU YA GODDAMN LEFTIST PUKES AND DON’T EVEN THINK OF FUCKING WITH FREE REPUBLIC MOTHERFUCKERS!
WE WILL BEAT YOU DOWN IN THE STREETS NEXT FALL!!!!”
Or this :
“DO NOT IDENTIFY YOURSELF AS LEFTIST OUT ON THE STREET YOU PIECE OF SHIT OR YOU WILL BE BEATEN UNCONSCIOUS YOU GODDAM ENEMY OF AMERICA!!!!!”
Cause sometimes freepers use that kind of language when talking to people they don’t agree with … and that’s not exactly the kind of language that one would use, if one wasn’t trying to start a fight.
March 27th, 2004 at 4:31 pm
I learned about this incident from Winston Smith’s blog, and I want to apologize to you for what happened, since I’m a member of the party those ignorant jerks seem to think they support - although they’ve made it clear that they’re utterly clueless as to what democracy is about. Here’s hoping they leave the Democratic party and register Republican - I sure don’t want them anywhere near me. (but then you probably wouldn’t be thrilled to have them either…)
March 27th, 2004 at 4:44 pm
“me talk pretty” - it hardly matters if the “patriots” were verbally abusing the “commies”, this doesn’t excuse it. And there’s a time for a behavioral “compare and contrast”, but this isn’t it. This is one incident, where people on “our side” behaved inexcusably, and in a way that’s completely against what I believe we stand for. And we’re currently having this discussion in the [morally]injured party’s home.
The way to deal with abusive speech (IF such occurred) is to tape and publicize it, not to assault the speaker.
March 27th, 2004 at 6:05 pm
We have only your side of this story. In the newspaper article, someone you were fighting with claims that one of you verbally instigated the fight. From your description of the fight, it sounds like a fairly minor scuffle — after that first guy attacked your brother, you jumped him, and then the fight was broken up (by the surrounding union demonstrators, apparently) and you were held down until things were over. No one was beaten. Let me be clear — whoever in fact instigated this was clearly wrong and deserves to spend a few nights in jail. But overall it sounds like a minor incident, of the type that would normally make page A-37 as one sentence in a roundup of police reports, together with a drunk driving stop and someone getting thrown out a bar. The cops didn’t bother to make any arrests.
But we can already see this incident getting blown up by the right wing blogsphere and the likes of Rush Limbaugh into a general attack on “liberal violence”. Why would they be doing that? Well, it seems pretty clear to me. Conservatives in this country are at this point more violent and intolerant than liberals. To start with, their rhetoric is much more violent. Every time I turn on right wing talk radio I hear people like Hilary Clinton called a “traitor” (with the commentator helpfully adding that the punishment for that crime is death), statements that liberals in general are on the side of terrorists and Osama Bin Laden, people like Congressman McDermott called spies and traitors, etc. Rush Limbaugh regularly says that liberals hate America and are consciously trying to destroy it. All this stuff is a direct instigation to violence. Compare Ann Coulter’s rhetoric to, say, Al Frankens — Franken is a humorist who does not portray his opponents as criminal traitors. In Florida in 2000, it was the Republicans who used violence to intimidate polling workers, not the Democrats. I know a number of people who were roughed up far worse than you were at anti-war rallies. (Political violence can come from the cops as well).
So my guess is that the Republican right is revving up the propaganda machine in case a little violence actually is called for during the next election cycle. Some excuses are needed to feed the right wing zealots’ perpetual sense of victimization. Nothing like a sense of being under threat to egg people on to their own violence. If you are genuinely concerned about political violence in this country, I’d look to the right, not the left. Even if you might be able to find a drunk asshole or two among a giant left-wing crowd if you look hard enough.
March 27th, 2004 at 6:34 pm
In Florida in 2000, it was the Republicans who used violence to intimidate polling workers, not the Democrats
An example of that would be?
Did you really expect us to buy that sight unseen?
Idiot.
March 27th, 2004 at 6:43 pm
it hardly matters if the “patriots” were verbally abusing the “commies”
you’re right. it doesn’t excuse it. in an ideal world, Americans of all stripes would respect each other and would realize that the differences between them are so small that violence is a ridculous approach to solving differences of opinion.
but, when someone proudly associates themselves with a group of people, (freepers) whose members regularly and explicity call for violence against people who disagree with them, finds themselves in the middle of (gasp) a violent confrontation, there’s really nothing to be wound up about about here.
we should all be thankful that nobody was “BEATEN UNCONSCIOUS” or “BEATEN DOWN IN THE STREET”. maybe next time.
March 27th, 2004 at 7:12 pm
It’s News, Jim, but not as we think of it….
Read. Lileks. Today. [Ooh - punctuation! The. Ghost. Of. Rachel. Lucas. Lives…] “And I bring this up . . . why? Because I want to blame the Clinton administration? Look: to me that’s ancient history. That’s Flintstone time. If it…
March 27th, 2004 at 7:14 pm
Can you clarify something for me? Were you and your brother close to the other combatants? Did one person invade another’s physical space before the actual flying of fists?
I’m more than a little disappointed in the “liberals” here.
March 27th, 2004 at 7:32 pm
Yeah, right, like your account isn’t self-serving or one-sided. I’m sure you didn’t do or say anything to provoke a fight. Poor little innocents. Right…
March 27th, 2004 at 7:39 pm
Ironic that republicans cry fould over censorship. Remember Ari Fleischer telling people to watch what they say and do after 9/11?
And wasn’t that Bush just hee-haw funny the other night cracking jokes about missing weapons of mass destruction. Is he that out of touch or just callous and mean?
March 27th, 2004 at 7:42 pm
the left redefines the word “victim”
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March 27th, 2004 at 7:46 pm
Oh how exciting! The mean union guys pushed and shoved us. We were assaulted! Hey they broke our glasses! No fair! Now mummy and poppy will have to increase our allowance! You pathetic pussies. The Ironworkers were very gentle with you, my guess is they were just warming up. Wait till they realize what you really are.
March 27th, 2004 at 8:01 pm
Matt,
I’m so proud of you! Good for you! Shows what frikkin’ hypocrites liberal Dhimmicraps really are! (Free speech for me but no for thee…)
As far as I’m concerned, most of today’s DNC belongs in a mental asylum. They’ve become really psychotic since the 2000 elections.
I’d be willing to contribute to a mass handout of Stelazine at their convention this summer.
Loons.
G-d bless you, Matt (and Aaron!)
March 27th, 2004 at 8:51 pm
As a lefty blogger I would like to apologize that any person related to the camp I am in laid hands on anyone in your camp.
I am about as opposed to electing Bush as anyone you can find. I am also in favor of the First Amendment and the freedom of assembly. I’d even dislike your ilk being herded into “first Amendment” pens because you have the temerity to speak.
Protest away, and may you be safe.
March 27th, 2004 at 10:45 pm
I have to join the chorus of lefties who’ve found their way here via David Niewert and Winston. Heated debates, sore feelings, and animosity are pretty par for the course between the political poles, but there’s no justification for the assault you and your brother experienced. I know my condemnation of their actions doesn’t carry much weight on a grand scale, but there it is. Good to know you and your brother got out of it okay, and here’s lookin’ forward to a day in the future when I can share a beer with ya over fiery discourse.
cheers,
c
March 27th, 2004 at 11:04 pm
Ah, more crushing of dissent from “inclusive” Democrats. Geez, you support a guy who gives you more of your own money back, bravely takes the fight to the terrorists in their own backyards, and liberates 24 million people, and this is the thanks you get. What a country.
Props to the lefties who came out to condemn this behavior.
March 28th, 2004 at 12:35 am
All we are saying
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March 28th, 2004 at 12:45 am
To Seth, Anna, Scorpio, thank you for being voices of reason. I’m just another conservative poster, but I really appreciate your response, especially after reading the astounding responses that “A Small Victory” (# 49. ) came across. May both sides protest in peace.
JimParkey wrote:
First, the issue isn’t exactly censorship, it’s a couple of members on the left using violence to stifle free speech. Second, were you by any chance reminded of Fleischer’s remarks by a recent Paul Krugman column in the NY Times? It’s discussed by Pejmanesque in context, and you may find it interesting.
March 28th, 2004 at 1:19 am
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March 28th, 2004 at 2:03 am
I would like to thank all the liberal commenters here who have come out to condemn the actions of the unions workers who attacked my group. I myself will be the first to condemn equivalent behavior of the far right. Being in Massachusetts, I am used to hostile reactions to my conservative / pro-Bush positions. I certainly do know that this behavior is not typical of either side. There was a small number of reasonable liberals there who did not speak highly of the union workers either - these were the people I can have a real and reasonable debate with.
Sometimes people can argue until their blue in the face, and sometimes they can just agree to disagree. It is unfortunate however that some people could care less about debate and care more about telling everyone that they are right and you wrong, and will go to any extreme because of that.
I’m a talker, a debater - not a fighter. fighting isn’t going to change peoples minds… it certainly didn’t change mine, it merely stengthen my convictions and inspired me to contribute more money to the Bush campaign.
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March 28th, 2004 at 3:49 am
Hey, Matt, we’re sorry. We just got a little carried away because your man Bush wrecked the economy, took away all the public works projects that provide our jobs and gave the money to his rich cronies with his tax cut, is trying to take away our overtime pay and basically does everything he can to screw the working man.
Oh yeah, and he tells them to “bring it on,” and when they bring it on and our kids and brothers get killed, he makes a joke about missing WMD.
But hey, we’re sorry. Come on down to the Cornerstone on Broadway in Southie. We’ll buy you the first beer. Make sure you wear your Bush/Cheney button.
March 28th, 2004 at 7:01 am
WORDS do not merit VIOLENCE. Doesn’t matter what the words are, or how righteous the ape thinks his anger is.
Anybody who attacks other people for SAYING WORDS he doesn’t like is a danger to society, and he should be locked up. If he wants to behave like a rabid dog, then he should be treated like one.
Such a person is worse than a rabid dog, though — because he is more than just a physical threat to other members of society. He is a threat to Freedom, and to the Constitution itself.
This “Union worker” is a TRAITOR to the principles upon which this country was founded. He obviously does not believe in any right to Freedom of Speech (except for people who agree with him), nor does he believe that people have a right to Peaceful Assembly.
And he is willing to initiate violence to prevent you from exercising either right.
He is just one goose-step away from a Nazi brown shirt, burning books and smashing store windows.
March 28th, 2004 at 8:26 am
Reading about your experience with the violent left reminds me of an incident which ocurred a year ago here in Reykjavík, Iceland. It was around the time when the UN Security Council was debating whether to sanction the invasion of Iraq and tempers were steaming among the lunatic left here in Iceland.
A group of them gathered in front of the offices of the Prime Minister to protest the support the our government was giving to the US in the matter. A couple of kids, maybe 12 years old, showed up with amusing “Nuke Saddam” signs and paraded them in front of the commies. It was obvious to everyone who witnessed it (I only saw it on TV) that they were only trying to be funny, but that didn’t stop one man, at least twice their age, to rip the signs from their hands and beating them upside the head with them!
Not only did this one individual think it was ok to beat up twelve year old kids for holding up signs to which he objected, but none of the other fifty or so protesters did anything to stop the beating once it had started!
Of course this is all just anectdotal but I think the increasing militancy of the left is a phenomenon that affects the whole of Western society, not only the US.
And at least you guys are allowed to purchase and own handguns for your protection in case the violence gets more severe. I have to rely on my double-barreled hunting shotgun.
Sorry for the long rant, and I hope you are feeling better after your ordeal. I wish you all the best in your efforts and you should know that there are Europeans out there who are immeasurably grateful for what your country is doing for the protection of all of us and who also hope for four more years (albeit the Bush/Rice ticket would be more to my liking:)
March 28th, 2004 at 8:46 am
Disgusted with Democrats
The more stories I hear about the abusiveness of the Democrat Supporters of Kerry, the madder I get. I am adding a new blogroll to my sidebar that will list bloggers who have been abused by Democrats - by word…
March 28th, 2004 at 8:51 am
Hey, Matt, we’re sorry. We just got a little carried away because your man Bush wrecked the economy, took away all the public works projects that provide our jobs and gave the money to his rich cronies with his tax cut, is trying to take away our overtime pay and basically does everything he can to screw the working man.
Please explain to us how Bush is wrecking the economy? I appreciate your sentiments re: what happened to Matt (and I thank you) but are just regurgitating what your union bosses tell you? Don’t you listen to the news? The economy is growing (4+ % last quarter)unemployment is as low (or high, depending on how you’re looking at it) as it was under Clinton, and yet you guys are acting like it’s the coming of the next Great Depression! Get a f**king grip!
My husband and I make under $100k and we were able to save $ under Bush’s policies to pay off a lot of our debts. Now this gives us more free money to buy things and strengthen the economy thus securing jobs for the likes of YOU.
Remember too it was your golden boy Klinton who signed NAFTA. But as usual, you union types don’t question your Democrat masters and go dutifully along, supporting their candidacies much to your peril.
March 28th, 2004 at 9:18 am
It sounds to me like the Boston Union guy was being a bit sarcastic, and wants us to go down to southie so they can continue what they so poorly started…
Sorry, boston union guy, how could you expect us to trust you, or any spineless union prick from this point on…
March 28th, 2004 at 9:55 am
I am a liberal, and think that sort of violence is unquestionably not the sort of thing I would like to see in my compatriots. Just because someone provokes violence verbally does not mean you have to give into the urge. Just walk away.
March 28th, 2004 at 10:04 am
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2004_03_21_dneiwert_archive.html#108043304507322450
I expect that all of you wingnuts boo-hooing over a precious little CR breaking his glasses will offer strong condemnations of that hate-motivated physical and sexual assault in Atlanta. Right, GOPiglets?
March 28th, 2004 at 10:17 am
Timmy,
Shouldn’t there be a “K” there, instead of a “C”? (after your name)
March 28th, 2004 at 11:18 am
Where are the Facts?
There are people on the left side of the political spectrum who are claiming that ‘right-wingers’ have viciously assaulted an artist in Atlanta: Orcinus: A political Hate Crime The crime, if it did happen, is truly repugnant: The assault –…
March 28th, 2004 at 11:23 am
Wow, Ms. Heather, I bet you were aces in 2nd grade dodgeball!
March 28th, 2004 at 11:35 am
Not so Timmy, you’re side’s got the patent on name calling.
As for me, I accept responsibility for my life and my actions. Something that is well beyond the maturity of a second grader. Something that most of you on the Left lack.
So if Matt & Aaron “deserve” this, next time I see one of you pricks burning my flag, or disrespecting my President, you’re getting my nail studded 2×4.
After, you will have asked for it, right?
Now go run off and finish your giant puppet for the next Bush=Hitler rally.
March 28th, 2004 at 12:29 pm
Well, the more I think of the incident, the less it surprises me. See, to leftists and other socialist swine, liberty means nothing more than being able to get away with violating others’ individual rights. Yes, there is a whining “liberal intellectual” in the forefront bleating about “tolerance”, “non-violence”, “love for fellow-man”, but behind him are brutes and thugs. They are the true heirs of the socialist “intellectual” tradition.
March 28th, 2004 at 1:11 pm
Boston Democrat Union Members
It really bothers me to make a far reaching conclusion based on a few incidents with bad people, but I promise when I get home that I’ll blog about my experience with the large crowds of Boston area union members
March 28th, 2004 at 1:25 pm
Obviously, you were asking for it. These poor, unemployed union workers took time out from their busy schedule of campaigning for Kerry and complaining about being unemployed to harangue the Shrub. Where’s your appreciation for their patriotic dissent?
March 28th, 2004 at 1:45 pm
they weren’t unemployed… hence the union
March 28th, 2004 at 2:05 pm
Matt. What you need is real training in hand to hand combat. The Marines do that very well. You can go down to any recruiting center in Boston and enlist. After basic and a tour in Iraq, you’ll be quite able to handle yourself against any union thug or scruffy-looking hippie.
But you obvoiusly won’t do this. I wonder why.
March 28th, 2004 at 2:38 pm
Jeez, Aaron, what makes you think I’m being sarcastic? There’s nothing we union guys love more than a bunch of young Republicans, blowing in from the suburbs, going to college and demonstrating for their man Bush. He’s showing strong leadership, doing away with overtime pay and other worker protections, and supporting our sons in the Marines by making sure they’re busy dodging bullets and rockets in Fallujah, not bored in their barracks in Camp Pendleton.
By the way, when are we going to see the pictures of Matt’s bruised up face? He must have taken a real beating from the fuss that’s being made of it.
Come on down to the Cornerstone.
March 28th, 2004 at 3:40 pm
Union Guy. Don’t judge Matt too harshly. He mentioned in some other thread that the experience with the union thugs disturbed him so profoundly that merely blogging for Bush won’t be enough anymore.
He’s stated that he’s enlisting in the Marine tomorrow. I disagree with his politics but I wish him the best of luck. Anybody who actually puts his body on the line and goes to Iraq has my respect.
Kudos young Freeper warrior. And may you return home safely.
March 28th, 2004 at 3:48 pm
Hey, boston union guy. You’re probably a shill, otherwise you’d point out how many of those priveleges were lost under the democrats, or how the democrats have been pushing anti-union policies for years now. After all your political camp prefers appeasment and capitulation to actually standing up for what’s right.
Myself, I’m pretty ashamed about both you and the guy who attacked Matt. That’s said as an actual union member, IBEW.
Kal
March 28th, 2004 at 4:17 pm
the reactiosn from the left have been interesting. there’s been plenty of “he deserved it” kind of talk.. but there are some who do condemn the actions of the union thugs.. i’d like to believe the latter represent the majority of them..
March 28th, 2004 at 4:33 pm
Yeah. Freepers are a peaceful lot…
Now comes a fairly clear-cut case of a politically inspired assault by right-wingers on a gay man in Atlanta — in fact, it appears they drove all the way from at least Kansas to commit the crime.
The assault — which included raping the man with a sawed-off broomstick and holding a knife up to his scrotum and threatening to cut it off — was in apparent retaliation for a LiveJournal post in which the victim, an Atlanta artist, depicted (through the wonders of Photoshop) George W. Bush as a Grand Dragon at a Klan rally. Using information they gathered from the Web, they stalked him and brutalized him into unconsiousness, leaving him for dead in an alley.
A fellow named spatula at morons.org pieces together most of the details from the victim’s continuing LiveJournal posts:
So they stalked him using information they gathered from LiveJournal, attacked him outside an Atlanta restaurant, cut his hand so as to inflict nerve damage (apparently to prevent him creating any more art their found offensive), sexually assaulted him with a sawed-off broom handle and left him naked and bloody in an alley.
All this because they were so weak and pathetic that they just couldn’t cope with a Photoshopped jpeg image. And they had a gang of them against one small guy, hitting him over the head first so he couldn’t fight back.
From what he could remember, authorities were able to locate a van that had been stolen from a used car lot in Topeka, Kansas in which [the victim’s] blood was found. If Topeka sounds familiar to you, it may be because that’s where Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church who bring us GodHatesFags.com are located. It’s far too early to say whether Phelps and his clan had anything to do with this assault, but detectives have found [the victim’s] name posted on several sites of similar ilk.
March 28th, 2004 at 4:58 pm
Boston union guy is obviously so ill-informed he’s gone beyond ignorant. He can’t be doing too bad under the “horrible economy” we are in.. after all, he can spend an evening holding manufactured signs for a cause he is uneducated about, whines about how he works so hard for his money to feed wife and kid(s), and has plenty of time and $$ to afford internet service, and a computer.
March 28th, 2004 at 5:26 pm
Aaron. You can get a computer at Walmart for 300 bucks and an ISP for 10 dollars a month. Holding a sign at a peace demo is free.
What people really can’t afford in this “crummy economy” is a little luxury like health care or dental care for their kids.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3136522.stm
“She had just moved into a new apartment outside Washington and was rushing to catch a taxi to work.
“Instead of stepping on the steps, I stepped into the air. I took a dive off my porch,” she explained dryly as she waited for a doctor to put her leg in a cast.
She fell more than a metre from the steps outside her apartment. She broke her ankle and damaged ligaments in her lower leg.
Valerie now faces surgery and quickly mounting medical bills because she is one of the more than 43 million Americans without health insurance.”
March 28th, 2004 at 7:10 pm
Hey, the reactions from the right are pretty interesting too. Push Ms. Heather at all and she’s threatening me with a nail-studded 2×4. Apparently, Ms. Heather forgets that she’s supposed to be tut-tutting political violence here, not threatening to inflict it. And what are you doing here anyway? Shouldn’t you be a good little wingnut girl and be barefoot and pregnant and cooking up some steak and potatoes for your manly wingnut master, just like Jeebus told you to do?
March 28th, 2004 at 8:16 pm
It’s called making a point, little patchouli boy.
No, I’m not given to violence, but I do believe in self defense. Push me or my friends I’ll push you back. Even harder. Matt is a friend, an honorable guy.
For the record, I’m a forty year old professional woman. And yes, I’d love to have more babies and would gladly give up my career for my child. I’m not going to die wishing I had spent more time working. But thanks to pro-big Government piglets like you, I have to work to make ends meet due to our tax burden. (2 jobs)
Oh, and you can knock it off with your anti-Christian bigotry, Klan-boy-hypocrite.
March 29th, 2004 at 1:00 am
Hey SWR: Your are RIGHT on healthcare. Unlike Kerry, I have a plan for affordable healthcare for all! I call it “Plan 99″, for obvious reasons.
First, get lawyers out of the equation. 99% of any and all malpractice suits would go back into the system. Every trial lawyer would also be taxed at a 99% tax rate, with the proceeds going to health care.
Second, the entertainment business would be taxed at the same 99% tax rate, and anyone making a living in that business, making above the average median US income, would also be taxed at a 99% rate. Any entertainer or entertainment company moving offshore (like them bad ol’ Re-publicans do) would be banned from doing business in the US.
Sounds like private rooms and no co-pay to me!
March 29th, 2004 at 1:04 am
Ms Heather– In Romans 13:5-7 (NIV), Paul tells us, “Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”
I think the Bible and you have a disagreement about government.
Hell’s pretty hot, Heather.
March 29th, 2004 at 1:49 am
Good for you, Kal. You must be doing well as a contractor, to be a Republican.
Again, I think it’s great that you college boys turn out for your man Bush. As I said, he keeps our men and women in uniform busy. Not like when I was in the Army, back when Ford and Carter were president.
I notice you guys aren’t to vocal on that subject. Is it true that when these union guys attacked you shouted “Bring it on” like your hero and wardodging rolemodel?
March 29th, 2004 at 1:55 am
Tell me something, Cole… if our authorities are truly God’s servants, why do they continually tell us that we cannot acknowledge God?
If we cannot acknowledge God, do any of His creations - such as Hell - even exist?
Always funny to hear a leftist quoting the Bible.
March 29th, 2004 at 2:24 am
Silver Shark- first of all, I am having trouble following your argument… no real surprise there.
Anyway, there weren’t any Christian governments in the Roman empire around the time Paul was preaching. What’s that tell you?
And I have to note that its funny how you right-wing nuts always think you have a monopoly on being a Christian. I don’t think Jesus would approve.
March 29th, 2004 at 2:38 am
“I am having trouble following your argument… no real surprise there.”
Self-deprecation will only get you so far with me. After that, you have to start actually being funny.
The line was this:
“…for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing…”
The authorities in our cases are the elected officials and judges who, through their actions and rulings, constantly denigrate the name and very idea of God.
I’m also pretty certain there weren’t anything but polytheist governments in the Roman empire during Paul’s day, as I’m fairly certain Christianity was still illegal in their eyes.
Oh, and this right-wing nut knows that there’s no monopoly on Christianity by either side… having studied Catholicism for 12 years, you could make the argument that Roman Catholic leadership is Socialist in nature.
March 29th, 2004 at 6:43 am
Hah! Rudeness at the Imperial Armoress’s place!
Take a Cluebat™ to ‘em!* A coward who calls himself a “rank-and-file democrat” (I wonder if the lamer realizes the military origin of the term?) popped in on She Who Will Be Obeyed (she got really political yesterday) and left…
March 29th, 2004 at 6:52 am
Oh, by the way
I have been asked in the comments section on other blogs if the Margolis incident has been documented in a newspaper of record. The answer is yes. The Boston Herald covered the altercation….
March 29th, 2004 at 7:29 am
Hell’s pretty hot, Heather.
No kidding, I’m sure it’s also got its share of blasphemers too, huh Timmy?
Have you gotten your tactic of using Holy Scripture for political ends from JF Ketchup? (Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord, your God, in vain)
I think you have the greater Sin, klan-man. Denial of the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable Sin.
March 29th, 2004 at 9:21 am
A similar thing happened a few years ago when Union thugs roughed up a bunch of people protesting then-President Clinton at Philadelphia City Hall.
http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=1999/10/4/154525
March 29th, 2004 at 9:27 am
Way back a couple of days ago
1 Hot Idoiter 1 Hot Dem stated:Ok fair enough Dem. Hmmm let’s play a little word game shall we? (Not supporting the next paragraph in any way… Just following the 1 Hot Dem’s reasoning.)
Hitler had his beliefs, just like the Democrats have. Sometimes violence is the only way to show people how devastatingly bad their ideas are. When society is so distraught about policies the Democrats support, such as abortion rights, that individuals feel the need to take violent action, revolution is not only expected, but neccessary. I’m no pro-life man, but I’d have probably taken a swing at you as you tried to escort a woman into that death clinic too.
Hmmm in 1 Hot Dem’s world view union violence is ok, but I am guessing that pro-life violence would be bad.
Gee thanks 1 Hot Dem for throwing your support behind abortion bombers. I mean that is your logical conclusion… Oh silly me Democrats aren’t logical creatures, my bad.
March 29th, 2004 at 10:09 am
boston union guy — (”BUG” — What an appropriate acronym.) Thanks for continuing to reinforce the ignorant union thug stereotype so consistently on this thread. I especially like how you slam “college boys” and ridicule anyone trying to get ahead by furthering their education. I definitely would vote for a hands-on man like you who thinks that ‘colledge is stoopid’ and for Republicans only. Oh, but could you explain to me why the vast majority of professors are so liberal? That seems inconsistent, but then I’m using that reasoning and logic I learned at school. Maybe you can enlighten me with your view–after your union-mandated break, naturally.
March 29th, 2004 at 1:16 pm
The right to peacefully assemble belongs to everyone.
During President Bush’s fundraiser in Boston, the usual occurred: concerned citizens from differing political viewpoints assembled to voice their dissenting opinions; one of the strengths this nation. Yet, as we’ve seen in the last few years, some el…
March 29th, 2004 at 1:34 pm
The Margolis Incident
The Margolis Incident, copiously blogged, is rather telling as to what Bush supporters will endure in the months ahead. Advantage of the blogosphere is we have first person accounts from Matt and Tyler unfiltered by the liberal press. Even Rush covered…
March 29th, 2004 at 1:41 pm
The Left, barren of ideas, resort to violence
Matt Margolis Blog » “The Margolis Incident” Matt Margolis from Blogs For Bush and some others were holding a counter-protest in Boston the other day when the president spoke there when some union goons decided to prove that the left…
March 29th, 2004 at 2:56 pm
Dar, the contrast is between college “boys” supporting their blundering Bush and “men” in uniform, but that was too subtle for you. You see, I went to college on the GI Bill, not paid for by my rich parents.
Now I’m going to take a break.
March 29th, 2004 at 3:09 pm
that’s funny… you are implying that we are going to college because it’s paid for by our “rich parents”…
if you only knew the hassles of dealing with financial aid, filling out FAFSA, etc.
I’ll be paying off my student loans up until my own kids will be going to school.
but not that you believe anything i say…
March 29th, 2004 at 3:42 pm
And when are you joining the Marines?
March 29th, 2004 at 3:45 pm
come on, you can do better than that…
admit you are 100% wrong in your assumption that my “Rich parents” pay my tuiton… go ahead… admit it… stop avoiding it.
March 29th, 2004 at 4:17 pm
I’d Have Answered The Door With My Mossburg
“Several hundred people stormed the small yard of President Bush’s chief political strategist, Karl Rove, yesterday afternoon, pounding on his windows, shoving signs at others and challenging Rove to talk to them about a bill that deals with educatio…
March 29th, 2004 at 4:48 pm
That’s the unions for you. Pretty good at beating anyone that disagrees with them. Not too good at working.
March 29th, 2004 at 5:29 pm
Agree, Jim. They were probably on the clock.
March 29th, 2004 at 11:26 pm
Hey, Aaron, so you received aid from the government? Filling out FAFSA? You know, if you join the Army, you can get a lot of those loans forgiven, and you get the payments deferred for up to four years. Check it out: goarmy.com
March 30th, 2004 at 7:41 am
Hey boston union guy when are you going to stop being a union sheep? I mean come on you can make a living by not being tied to a union and as an added bonus you no longer have to pay union dues. Check it out: Any right to work state.
Oh that’s right, you are incapable of making decisions concerning your own welfare. (I guess in your case it does take a village.) What’s the matter, “The Suits” constantly made a mockery of your negotiation skills when you tried to ask for a raise?
March 30th, 2004 at 8:45 am
Hypocrisy as policy
Frum on target: For all the to-ing and fro-ing about Clarke’s intentions and integrity, however, we’re basically back at the…
March 30th, 2004 at 12:27 pm
Speaking of protest…
Bush blogger gets roughed up, but refuses to back down.
March 30th, 2004 at 12:56 pm
Isn’t it rather cute to see these laptop corporals complain about getting a few fists thrown in their general direction? You dittoheads are so eager for military action when it’s other people doing the bleeding and dying, but when you face a scuffle, your whine and cry like little pathetics. What can one say, except if the leftists are willing to give you the beatdown you so richly deserve, maybe they wouldn’t be so weak on defense after all.
March 30th, 2004 at 12:59 pm
do you not find it ironic that people who are AGAINST THE WAR are FIGHTING IN THE STREETS?!?!?!
March 30th, 2004 at 1:03 pm
I completely agree. The cons base their war argument on having some balls to speak up and take action. Then some little blogger gets shoved and he goes home and cries to mommy. Why don’t you backup your argument even more and join the army if your so dedicated to this administration. Or you could join the national guard like Bush the pussy did.
March 30th, 2004 at 1:07 pm
you disgrace the national guard just like the democrats do. why don’t leave this country you hate so much.
No one went crying home to mommy. If you read the various accounts of the story, we stayed there to hold our signs, while the union pricks ran away. Who’s the pussy now?
metaphorically speaking, we need to stick around stateside to fight the battle here. If Uncle Sam needs/wants me, I won’t be jumping a train to canada to avoid service.
March 30th, 2004 at 1:12 pm
In bushes national guard days it was widely recognized that the ng was a way for rich kids to get out of military service.
“metaphorically speaking, we need to stick around stateside to fight the battle here”
Oh so the US needs your high brow intellectual web commentary. What would we do without you?
March 30th, 2004 at 1:22 pm
I love the republican argument of “why don’t you leave this country if you hate it so much.” Do you realize the hypocrisy in what you are saying Aaron?
March 30th, 2004 at 1:40 pm
Of course they don’t recognize the hypocrisy, eggdrop. Just like they’ve forgotten the fact that the war was sold on the fear of Saddam’s WMD, and his phony links to Al Qaeda — all now disproven. Or the irony that Al-Qaeda was not inside Iraq under Saddam, but it is now. They think that America is safer having lost 500+ citizen soldiers, and crippled thousands more.
As Bush wins battles, Osama advances toward his strategic goals: Demonization of America as the enemy of Islam, isolation of America as an imperialist aggressor against Arab nations and the enabler of Sharon, and unification of Islam’s young behind bin Laden’s ultimate war aim: the expulsion of America from all Muslim lands.
Says conservative icon, Patrick Buchanan.
March 30th, 2004 at 1:49 pm
Of course either Matt or Aaron are going to say “but we freed an entire country.” They don’t understand that democracy takes years and years to develop. It is not so easily created by bombing the hell out of a country, and an arab one for that matter. A culture needs to adapt to democracy over time. But what the hell am I talking about. It’s not like that was our full intention.
March 30th, 2004 at 1:51 pm
agreed
March 30th, 2004 at 2:02 pm
The American People and their Congress were never given the chance to decide if the liberation of a nation without WMD and without Al-Qaeda links was worth 500 citizens’ lives and a billion dollars a week for an unknown duration of occupation, all diverting precious resources away from the hunt for Osama. Instead, Bush terrorized the American People, and Congress, with talk of mushroom clouds over US cities.
March 30th, 2004 at 2:24 pm
Me thinks this will be a real nasty year…
Canada is starting to look very attractive!
And, folks, let’s face it, violence begets violence….
March 30th, 2004 at 3:20 pm
I completely agree. The cons base their war argument on having some balls to speak up and take action. Then some little blogger gets shoved and he goes home and cries to mommy.
Yeah, you’re real brave sitting there behind your mommy’s skirt, sniffing her farts, chickenshit. Don’t suppose you’d have the balls to say that to anyone’s face yourself, would you, dickweed?
March 30th, 2004 at 3:33 pm
“Lord Spatula the First”? “Dickweed”? Do your parents know you’re playing with the family computer?
March 30th, 2004 at 3:34 pm
No wonder you support the war Lord Spatula. You are too much of a fatass to get up and actually do something. I figured from your language that you were around 15 or 16 but your picture tells otherwise. Keep your dumbass vocabulary in Texas with all the other drunken, coke-sniffing, english language murdering, racist, homophobic, right-wing idiots.
March 30th, 2004 at 3:38 pm
when liberals know they have lost, they resort to name calling…
we always we knew we were right, now we know that they know we are right.
March 30th, 2004 at 3:38 pm
Wow this is getting pretty harsh.
March 30th, 2004 at 3:40 pm
Aaron. Didn’t Lord Spatula just use the terms “dickweed,” and “chickenshit.” Hipocrisy again!. Im not speaking for lord fatass but both seemed to be using foul language.
March 30th, 2004 at 3:45 pm
Aaron. Didn’t Lord Spatula just use the terms “dickweed,” and “chickenshit.” Hipocrisy again!. Im not speaking for lord fatass but both seemed to be using foul language.
Both of you bastards can come say it to my face.
5330 Bent Tree Forest Dr,#712
Dallas, TX
Bring Glitch-ass and your Boston Union Fairy with you, too. We’ll see how quickly you can turn your cowardly little asses around and run home to mommy, little chickenshit motherfuckers.
C’mon, I dare you.
March 30th, 2004 at 3:48 pm
“Lord Spatula the First”? “Dickweed”? Do your parents know you’re playing with the family computer?
Big talk behind your mommy’s skirt, right, chickenshit?
You’d piss your pants if you ever had to say that to my face, coward.
March 30th, 2004 at 3:51 pm
Aaron I think spatula is kindof disproving everything you have said including all previous posts in this thread. I think you better calm him down so that we can engage in some sort of meaningful discussion. It sounds like he’s about to have a heart